Thursday, July 22, 2010

Wasn't the Rodney King Tape Edited? Thoughts on Shirley Sherrod


Again, normal posts will be coming soon but news is breaking so fast around the nation that one is forced to write about the Shirley Sherrod affair.

Actually, it can be discussed in just a few paragraphs. By now it should be obvious to all that an edited version of her remarks was shown (although, the members of the NAACP still clapped as she told the tale of how she righteously denied the white farmer aid) and that the full version of the tape shows a woman who has assumed the mantle of a Black Bruce Wayne - swearing to dedicate her life to avenge her father’s death at the alleged hands of white people and crusade on behalf of her people – intent on pursuing justice for Black people’s never-ending discrimination.

Speaking to the NAACP – an organization irrelevant in that its core mission has been adopted by the Federal Government – she gave a talk endorsing communism (thankfully South Carolina’s own US Senate candidate Alvin Greene has promised to take back the country from “terrorists and communists” like Sherrod if elected) and delineated Black grievances and platitudes about her ailing community, in all of its varied permutations.

Now, Sherrod wants to have the 2nd Annual, 2010 Beer Summit with Mein Obama (interestingly, close to a year after the first with Officer Crowley) and discuss race and how it was so wrong for the media to play an edited version of her speech. The White House has apologized to her for believing the story that such a sweet, kindred soul could harbor such venomous opinions and plans to offer her another position within the government.

The so-called “conservative” media is being blasted for rushing to judgment in the Sherrod case. In fact, the whole media rushed to judgment in the Sherrod case and quickly admitted the mistake, issued a mea culpa and has since brandished its awesome power denouncing anyone who dares question the dominance of Black Run America (BRA) – only white people can be racist is one of the sacred amendments governing life in BRA and Sherrod threatened to destroy this with her edited speech – and anointed her a new saint in the perpetual war on Pre-Obama America.

However, the Sherrod case shows something frightening to anyone paying attention as the media’s quick reversal of the story and admitting a longer tape existed instead of the edited version – when compared to the Rodney King tape – illustrates BRA’s tremendous power.

Remember Rodney King? An edited version of a beating he received was played continuously, inflaming righteous - albeit misplaced - anger among the Black citizens of America back in 1992. The real tape was never played in its entirety, just the edited version which showed police officers teeing off on King with an intensity usually reserved for golf balls at the range.

Indeed, riots and billions of dollars in property damage – not to mention loss of life – occurred after the police officers involved in the Rodney King were acquitted, because Black people had seen the “edited” version of the tape recycled continuously on TV.

The full version showed something else (like the Sherrod video):

Almost the entire country, along with the federal government, thought the four LAPD officers convicted of beating Rodney King were guilty of civil rights violations. But your book casts doubt on the racial motivation of the beating.

In many everyday incidents, police just move in and hit the suspect. In cases where you have white officers and a black suspect, it's often safe to say you've got a racial thing. That was not the case with Rodney King. Here they chased this guy for eight miles, they had stopped him, a female California Highway Patrol officer advanced on him with her gun drawn, which in the LAPD is considered a very dangerous tactic. Sgt. Stacey Koon of the LAPD ordered the CHP officer back and he took over this arrest. He then directed four officers to jump on King. King threw them off his back. He was sweating on a cold night, it was obvious he was drunk. He pointed at the sky, he called around, he made strange noises, he waggled his buttocks at the woman officer, all of these things. They suspected he was on PCP, and they knew he was strong.

So the LAPD, at least in the beginning, acted correctly?

It's the middle of the night. You have this guy acting very strangely. Koon did what he was supposed to do under LAPD doctrine -- they fire electronic darts of 50,000 volts. If you get hit by them, you don't get up for a very long time. King got up. They fired another volley, he gets up again. As the second volley is fired, George Holliday, this amateur cameraman, had his new camcorder that he was photographing everything with. He had been awakened by the noises, and the police helicopter and sirens. Just as Rodney King is charging toward Officer Lawrence Powell, he starts the video. This is the first three seconds of the video. It is not terribly clear, but it is obvious what King is doing. It is not clear whether he is trying to run over Powell, or whether he is trying to run by him to get to this park behind him. Neither of them knew where he was going -- King was too drunk to know, and Powell was too panicked to know.

And then we get to the part that has been broadcast around the world, of Powell swinging his baton.

Yes, Powell swings his baton, not as he has been taught -- in a power stroke that probably would have flattened King, and this thing would have been over -- but wildly, and he hits King. The defense thought he hit him in the chest or the arm. I am convinced he hit him in the head, but Powell was just swinging. Then the next 10 seconds after this are blurred on the video. They are blurred because the cameraman moves his camera to try to get a better view of the situation.

You point out that crucial seconds of the videotape showing King violently resisting arrest were edited by a local TV news station and then beamed around the world.

Yes, and it explains why the jurors in Simi Valley, who were from a very pro-police, conservative community, ruled the way they did. They thought that the media hadn't told them the full story, and lo and behold, we hadn't. But in trials, if there is evidence that is damaging to your side, it's going to come out one way or the other. So lawyers try to present it, to give their own spin on it before the other side can present it. As the King trial begins, the prosecutor, who is an African-American, Terry White, a very fine lawyer, is giving the opening statement. He is showing the jury this unedited tape. Their mouths are agape. They are saying the mental equivalent of "ah-ha." So, in his opening statement, White has to explain away part of the tape, and to describe King as the person who was hostile. That wasn't the only problem with the trial. King didn't testify, the prosecution had poor witnesses, the other side had good witnesses. But the prosecution really never recovered from the videotape.

So was then-Police Chief Daryl Gates right when he called the incident an "aberration"?

Only in that it was videotaped. Injuries had been mounting before this. The year before, Los Angeles had paid out more than $11 million in damages, many of them resulting from settlements. So the city felt confident that if the King case went to trial that it would be decided in favor of the kinds of people who had been injured before by LAPD batons -- whites, Latinos and blacks.

The Rodney King video was edited to elicit maximum emotional response, resulting in billions in damages and loss of life. No apology ever came, no back tracking for failing to show the full video, nor remorse from the media.

SBPDL rests the case on the awesome, unflinching power of BRA in America. Loss of life, cities under siege and terrorized by marauding gangs of Black people incensed by a heavily “edited” video that could have been easily defused had the media shown the full video is no cause for consternation.

An “edited” video of Shirley Sherrod giving a speech where NAACP members clap when she talked about denying white people full protection before the law is cause for a groveling apology from the media and the White House, despite her then endorsing communism.

Again, SBPDL hopes Alvin Greene wins the senate race in South Carolina so that the Last Action Hero can take the country back from “terrorists and communists,” before it is too late.

We live in Black Run America. There is no escape from the clutches of a system of governance that has adopted the core mission of the NAACP as its central principles and philosophy.

Somewhere, Rodney King can still be heard to utter, “Can’t we all get along?”

Though it is a disquieting answer to some, the response to his query is a resounding ‘NO’!!!







120 comments:

Ryan said...

I heard about the unedited tape years ago, and how it sparked the riots because the footage shown was just of the four police officers beating a seemingly innocent Black man.

Doesn't everyone know this?

Anonymous said...

"...that the full version of the tape shows a woman who has assumed the mantle of a Black Bruce Wayne - swearing to dedicate her life to avenge her father’s death at the alleged hands of white people and crusade on behalf of her people – intent on pursuing justice for Black people’s never-ending discrimination."

Oh how wrong you are. Do you even watch the news? I've looked at the earlier post about Mel Gibson and this one and all you do, SBPDL is contribute to the growing problem in racism.

"This website will serve to educate the general public on Black people and the Stuff That Black People Don't Like. Black people have many interesting eccentricities, which include disliking a litany of everyday events, places, household objects and other aspects of their everyday life. Black people are an interesting subject matter and this website will chronicle the many problems in life that agitate this group of people."

Yeah right. I've recently have entered this blog and have seen that you've only managed to target blacks, tell the public of how racist they are, and tell how they only want what's bad for America. "An “edited” video of Shirley Sherrod giving a speech where NAACP members clap when she talked about denying white people full protection before the law is cause for a groveling apology from the media and the White House, despite her then endorsing communism."

Give us a break. You self-arrogant, insecure, racists always talk about the false truth in a racial matter that's been discussed daily on the news. SBPDL has proved my point with that example above in the second paragraph. If you actually go to http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/21/sherrod.profile/index.html?hpt=T1 all those videos on the left side show the actually truth that SBPDL isn't able to post on this site to acutally educate the public.

For once instead of being a human consumed in hatred for blacks, try actually doing something positive about racism instead of helping the ever growing problem of racism! I don't understand why it's so hard for you white supremists to do this. I am black, I've been black my whole life. I went to preschool and kindergarten schools which were both populated by blacks as the majority. From 1st and up I was put in schools populated by whites and with barely any blacks.

I grew up with white people and most of my friends I have now are white. I have some black friends but I've always been able to connect with whites more than black because of how I had grown up. I guess it's just because of how immature I am that I can never understand why white people are so racist to blacks even though they know what they've been through. Being in white schools I've always met someone racist throughout each grade. All the blacks that came to that school weren't racist and never were racist to any of the white people there.

I've always thought to myself that if anyone is to be racist it should be a black person and being racist towards someone white because of what my people had gone through. But I realize that today is a new day and that the past is the past. Dwelling on the scars inflicted on us from ages ago isn't going to solve the problems we have today.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if I can get over predjudice and racism towards whites, then how is it that you can't do the same for blacks?

Freedom Fighter

AE said...

Your argument is invalid. It's an example of what's known as "the Arab Trader Argument" (Google is your friend).

BRA? Jeebus, what a great example of totally overblown white paranoia that term is!

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Sigh....

Neither of these comments can be construed as "hijacking", but they both fail to address the point I tried to bring up:

Rodney King's beating tape was edited, and it lead to massive damage in LA, Atlanta and death.

The media could have showed the truth, but they fueled Black anger by shielding reality in a shroud of fiction.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/charen031099.asp

And yes, after her father's death Sherrod pledged to fight for Black people above all else.


http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/shirleysherrodnaacpfreedom.htm

Transcripts of her speech below

"When I made that commitment, I was making that commitment to black people -- and to black people only. But, you know, God will show you things and He'll put things in your path so that -- that you realize that the struggle is really about poor people, you know.

The first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm, he -- he took a long time talking, but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing. But he had come to me for help. What he didn't know -- while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me -- was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him.

I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So, I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough so that when he -- I -- I assumed the Department of Agriculture had sent him to me, either that or the -- or the Georgia Department of Agriculture. And he needed to go back and report that I did try to help him.

So I took him to a white lawyer that we had -- that had...attended some of the training that we had provided, 'cause Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farmer. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him.

That's when it was revealed to me that, y'all, it's about poor versus those who have, and not so much about white -- it is about white and black, but it's not -- you know, it opened my eyes, 'cause I took him to one of his own and I put him in his hand, and felt okay, I've done my job. But, during that time we would have these injunctions against the Department of Agriculture and -- so, they couldn't foreclose on him."

Rodney King's video was "edited" to show 19 - 25 seconds of footage that Sherrod actually brought up in her speech to the NAACP.

The reality is much, much different of what transpired that night in LA so many years ago, but the myth of the edited tape lives on.

In the case of Sherrod, that myth was debunked in one day.

The power of BRA on full display.

Anonymous said...

"and all you do, SBPDL is contribute to the growing problem in racism. "

Are you joking?Racism has always existed in every race.It is a natural defensive reaction.White racism has only been surpressed in the last 50 years,while anti-white racism is being encouraged on a daily basis,by the Jew-run media.This goes from history revisionism to suit the liberal agenda,to myths about white privilege ,affirmative action,PC- double speak in the media and so on.

Take ex-Yugoslavia as an example.You know what country that is?The Serbs,Croats, and Bosnians are all from the same race.They look the same,speak the same language,have the same characteristics,yet in the 90s they murdered each other like Barbarians because they call themselves different and worship to different religions.This is only one example,Africa and other regions of the World have many of those ethnic conflicts.If those people can't get over their small differences despite being all white or in Africa all black ,you think people from complete different races will?

Anonymous said...

"Oh how wrong you are. Do you even watch the news?"

Please think of some new material, you're repeating yourself.

Anonymous said...

"I've recently have entered this blog and have seen that you've only managed to target blacks, tell the public of how racist they are, and tell how they only want what's bad for America."

You're off to a great start, continue here...

http://www.thugreport.com/

and

http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

Hirsch said...

Something tells me that when Obama invites this woman to the Beer Summit 2.0, he will not preface the invitation by telling her that she "acted stupidly."

Anonymous said...

Wow. Comparing the obvious deception of editing a version of a woman's speech, concerning how while there are indeed still obvious racial issues it's more about class, to seem like she was being racist now when the actual story occurred more than 40 years ago, to the Rodney King fiasco is grasping at straws. I was young and black at the time, and we all pretty much knew Rodney King had been drunk and aggressive with cops. It was the amount of force that they used in subduing him that, the fact that while he was obviously spreading his arms on the ground in an attempt to surrender during the beating they continued to hit him in his head, face, legs and ribs with the baton, to kick him in the side, stomach, face, back of the head, to stomp on his head when he had been laying immobile for 9 seconds...this went on for over a minute and not once did any of them make any further attempt to cuff him. There were like 12 other cops there. What were they so afraid of?

It was also the fact that we, as a community, KNEW that this kind of thing went on, on a daily basis, and this video was proof that the cops often take it way too far, and seem to enjoy it. Black people didn't and still don't need that video as proof. I myself have been attacked by police on numerous occasions for walking while black, and have even been made to bleed, called slurs and slammed into walls, hoods of police vehicles, choked, etc. Not ONE of these incidents resulted in any arrests, because I was NOT COMMITTING ANY CRIME. They pick us up and drop us off in what they think is opposing gang territory...I'm not even IN a gang and never have been.

A friend of mine was assaulted on a train platform in Chicago by a cop when I was on my way to pick him up. As I walked towards the el station I saw the cop punching him while pulling his jacket over his head and three cop cars skidded to a stop so I kept walking, circled the block, and there were 5 or 6 squad cars and I saw my man bloodied in the back of one of the cars, cuffed and looking extremely messed up, so I started towards the car but as he saw me approach he shook his head and mouthed for me to go away, so I did. I went home and heard from him later, and he told me they had him chained to a wall, hanging by one hand, and had beat him further for attempting to fight back against the cop. He was not charged with anything and was released when his parents came to pick him up. You don't hear news stories about most of this shit, because most of us don't have the resources to bring any cases against them! We would mostly lose anyway! I have never once filed a case against any cops because I don't feel like I can win them! All this was years ago when I was a teenager. There was one incident when I was 21 or 22 during which I was slammed into a brick wall by a group of people who attacked me from behind without announcing who they were, so when I fought back they got even rougher and only after some time did any of them think to say "police"...they were stopping me because I was dropping my girlfriend at the time off at a bus stop and apparently they thought I was a drug dealer and made a huge fuss about my Excedrin, which they thought was Ecstasy and threatened to take me to the precinct to test my Excedrin! The funniest part is that I noticed them looking out of a third story window above a starbucks from behind the curtains, and walking around in trench coats looking like they were trying to be incognito. I pointed them out to my girl and we laughed a little and I said "it looks like someones gonna get arrested tonight!" What made them think I was a drug dealer I still don't know, I hugged my girl and put her on the bus and walked away.

If it happens again I will definitely pursue legal action. I may not WIN but at least I won't just take it lying down anymore. They way they behave is WRONG.

Anonymous said...

"Something tells me that when Obama invites this woman to the Beer Summit 2.0, he will not preface the invitation by telling her that she "acted stupidly.""

Because...she didn't...

Phalluster said...

This is not 'hijacking' since I can set up my punchline:

"Here are some citizens that Shirley Sherrod would help instead of whites."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6PdyVrHO9g&has_verified=1

(it's another "fast food" summit)

miked said...

So pointing and laughing at cops as they are trying to do their best to enforce the law in an increasingly lawless city is a bad thing?

Good thing you told this story, next time I feel the urge to point and laugh at cops I will resist it, since apparently it can result in bad things. Who knew? Thanks wise black dude!!!

Anonymous said...

This is also not 'hijacking' since I can set up my punchline as well:

Here are some citizens that Shirley Sherrod would help as well as blacks.

It's a frozen microwaveable fast-food summit.

A White man punches his 2 month old daughter in the groin, puts in the hotel room safe, then the refrigerator, "and finally the microwave, turning it on."

And while some black people may blame white people, who can some white people blame for their aberrant behavior?

Why, THE DEVIL, of course.

Because they are oppressed by Satan. This is also connected to an older post about the 'black out' defense. I'd suggest that white people have made excellent use of the 'demonic possession' defense.

Seriously, if we get Shirley Sherrod and Obama on this case maybe we can finally track down that pesky Lucifer once and for all. We can even ask him if it was indeed His Unholy Lordship who invaded the minds of those police officers who continued to beat Rodney King even after he was subdued.

I am of the opinion that if we are vigilant in our search for this Corrupter of Justice and Innocence and Youth then we can at long last cast out this Unclean Spirit, this Robber of Life, this Begetter of Death.

Amen.

Anonymous said...

"So pointing and laughing at cops"

LOL, I never pointed AT them, I never said that. I wouldn't have done that because I would have been afraid they would ATTACK ME. I POINTED IT OUT to my ex by leaning to her and telling her to look up at the window at the people peeking out from the curtain and we laughed a little, to ourselves, in a discreet manner, as we have every right to do. They were so obvious, it's their own damn fault they got noticed, not mine.

And they exposed themselves to any actual drug dealers by blowing their cover by attacking me, a long-employed, tax-paying citizen who wasn't doing anything even remotely illegal.

Anonymous said...

"A friend of mine was assaulted on a train platform in Chicago by a cop"

Numerous friends of mine have been murdered by black thugs.

Anonymous said...

SBPDL,

What you obviously fail to realize is the DWL and most blacks will never get your point. And even if they did, it goes against their agenda in many cases and they will invalidate it.

My point? Stop wasting your time trying to reason with DWL and most blacks. Ignore their ignorance. We racially enlightened whites love your blog. It validates many things we already know. It's nice to balance out all of the BS on the MSM with something that speaks to your senses.

Keep up the good work SBPDL!

Anonymous said...

Gotta love selective censorship. Oh well, I shouldn't have been wasting my time anyway!

Still looking forward to Solar Max!

And to anon about his friends being murdered...numerous, huh? If this is true that REALLY sucks, but forgive me for doubting the reliability of your claim.

Either way, I've SEEN cops kill, and I've seen people kill. It's ALL fucked up, it's ALL wrong.

Anonymous said...

"forgive me for doubting the reliability of your claim."

Likewise, forgive me for also doubting your claim.

Anonymous said...

A White man punches his 2 month old daughter in the groin, puts in the hotel room safe, then the refrigerator, "and finally the microwave, turning it on."

Wow, what a despicable piece of shit. He needs to be strung up by his scrotum until dead.

Had he been black I am sure you would be cutting him excuses. "Oh Jamal was just acting out against generational racist humiliation, he was confused, Jamal fell in with the wrong crowd, etc." anything but hold him responsible. Therein lies the disconnect. In white culture, criminality is universally condemned. In your culture it is excused, celebrated, or ignored.

Anonymous said...

It's cool if you doubt my claim, they're not that outlandish though, and they occurred, so I'm not concerned.

Not sure if you're the same person Anon@12:53, but that's a really ridiculous statement. I'd NEVER defend ANYONE who did anything like this, regardless of what might have motivated them to do it, be it drugs or possession or insanity or discrimination or whatever. I don't defend sick people, they're SICK. Black people HAVE done things like this and I would never, ever defend them. It's just so obvious to me how paper thin this racial argument is becoming. Find an example of some horrible thing a black person did and you can find a mirror example of some horrible thing some white person did.

People are fucked up. That's my bottom line, it's not racial, it's HUMAN. We are a strange phenomenon that erupted on another strange phenomenon which we call a planet.

If a white boy falls in with the wrong crowd there's nothing wrong with pointing that out, in fact it could greatly help our understanding of the effect of groupthink on individual organisms. And white people do defend their kids when shit goes crazy, but they don't have to make as much noise because there are a lot less black people using stats and specific instances to vilify their entire race based off of the actions of a minority among them.

You won't understand that though.

LOL.

Anonymous said...

"That's my bottom line, it's not racial, it's HUMAN."

Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders.

Anonymous said...

Back to the topic...

Shirely Sherrod in my eyes didn't show any form of racism. Even the couple of white farmers that she did help spoke on her behalf and said that she did help them and wasn't racist at all. They themselves didn't understand why people like you racist dunces were accusing her of being racist in her speech.

News Flash:

Maybe, just maybe, more people would agree with the information on this site if it wasn't based upon opinions of SBPDL, and of racist politicians that come from the source of their hatred for blacks. Also, knowing that there are sites like these where whites come together to talk trash about blacks makes me feel better to be black. You white supremists and racist have to hide behind a computer screen to tell others what you really think of us.

Such cowards! It must be fun being a racist when no more than 5% of the world's population cares about what you have to say!

*Ha!!!!!!!!*

Anonymous said...

"Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders."

What is this? Blame Blacky? It's the same old song and dance from you people, your stats are juked, for one, and only representative of a very brief period in time, about 3 decades, and even in those three decades it was not always blacks who emerged as the leading murderers. And the majority of the time we're killing ourselves anyway. So why not let us handle it? You have nothing to add but claims that blacks are inferior, or whatever your claim is. You have no interest in owning up to your great countries horrible mistreatment of us in the past, you have no interest in analyzing why life is the way it is right now, you just want to react and condemn. Since you refuse to apply an unbiased historical perspective to the issue you will never be able to see the forest and will barely even be able to see the trees.


And FAR more people died in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam, and a lot of that was just OUTRIGHT MURDER regardless of how you might want to spin it.

Anonymous said...

Upon hearing the full version of Ms Sherrod's speech, I felt tremendous relief. Here she was, promising to not be a black racis no' mo'. Instead she pledged allegiance to the tenets of Marxism. Relief, indeed.

Of course she had to get her government job back after that. I mean, just is just, right?

Now could - please - David Duke have his old job as Louisiana State Representative back? He promised that this whole thing with him and the Klan is over for good.

He deserves the same chance Ms Sherrod got and an invitation to the next beer summit.

Anonymous said...

Keep chanting your mantra, intoning your religious hymn, "Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. And they rape less white women than white men do, but more than white men rape black women."

We know how religious cults end up, regardless of their race. And cite Jonestown. I dare you.


And anon@1:26, I know, it's too funny. They're so paranoid they probably think we're the same person!

Anonymous said...

"It's cool if you doubt my claim"

Likewise, it's also cool if you doubt my claim.

Anonymous said...

"Maybe, just maybe, more people would agree with the information on this site"

Who cares?

Phalluster said...

I am relieved that comment censorship has not completely closed the zoo's doors. The eloquent blacks (or philo-blacks) are a bit more boring than the name-calling free-for-all of emoticons. It's like trading the monkey house the rhinoceros range.

When the NAACP crowd hoots and hollers at whitey, whites marvel at the behavior of these blacks, who are at the top of the totem pole amongst their race. They are the blacks in sport coats and pant-suits, with "white-collar" jobs and college degrees - the best of the demographic.

Their behavior fits in perfectly at a typical Oakland fast food breakfast. Hooting, hollering, a fight breaks out, new challengers appear, the police are "noticed", quickly confronted, and the party rages on.

When such videos are countered with the story of a white torturing and murdering his daughter in a motel, it occurs to me that 'typical' black behavior is being compared to the worst of the mentally-retarded, lowest-class whites' behavior.

Blacks (and philo-blacks) can take solace in whites' imperfections and laugh at the poorest, most depraved white behavior. Whites, meanwhile, are laughing at black elected officials, affirmative action appointments... congressmen, mayors, police chiefs... the cream of the black crop.

Now quick, find some funny stories about white officials to convince yourself of human neurological uniformity.

Anonymous said...

That is in no way the 'cream of the black crop'. (bring on the jokes about "Oh, then I'd HATE to see the chaff! LOL") The 'Revolution' still will not be televised.

Everybody laughs at politicians. And I was in no way LAUGHING at that man or his baby. I was pointing out that extreme behavior exists in all races.

The MAJORITY of black people have never been on TV OR Youtube OR published, etc. Same with whites, although there is a definite majority of whites on TV and in publishing houses.

What you seem to ignore is that the majority of even what you call the 'cream of the black crop' (I'll include academics and scientists, etc) have not been in any way confronted by mainstream media. They prominently display the minority and then act as if they're reporting on something significant.

I don't NEED to scramble to find humorous stories of white officials, they've been the majority of the scandals reported on for decades now, even centuries. You are the one who went out and found a silly video to support your silly argument in the first place. I responded in kind to prove that there are ignorant people in all races. The video you posted certainly wasn't representative of the cream of any crop. Even now you are attempting to shift the blame from yourself!

And I'm not concerned with convincing myself of any uniform neurological traits that may or may not be distributed through the races. I think that not only is that methodology inherently flawed and biased, but wholly unconvincing. There is no need to display any genetic equality. We are different. We organize information differently. It is your own pride, rooted in what I assume is fear, that DEMANDS that you view this as evidence of inferiority. Your paradigm is not absolute, and history has already proven this to numerous cultures, and the future will prove it again. You are grasping at phantoms in an attempt to superimpose an order of some of your ancestors creating (again, a minority) on an infinite chaos that refuses, again and again, to be nailed down. You are becoming irrelevant and this will probably lead to horrifying atrocities as those of you who can't adapt to the constantly shifting terrain lash out and feebly demand that eternity conforms to your ideals. You know this in your core, but you refuse to confront it, because you instinctively understand that confronting the infinite will destroy you.

So instead you birth a surrogate pseudo-philosophy that allows you to hide from the truth that lurks behind every corner. You are doomed. We all are. Humanity is a phase, an aberration in a small backwater solar system, orbiting a giant black hole that will eventually consume us and destroy every trace that we ever even existed. The rest of the universe will continue existing, as it did billions of years before we sprouted and started killing ourselves. We will never know why or how. Only clinging to our mostly inherited beliefs will prevent us from this realization. The rest of the universe might also perish, perhaps collapsing in on itself until it produces a singularity that will sit outside of and contain within itself all dimensions. Who knows, maybe it will find a way to reorganize and re-expand, producing an entirely different chaos for sometime. But you will not be 'here' then, none of us will. Our consciousness may carry over into something else, but all evidence indicates that even if it does it will be in a state wholly alien to anything we are aware of now, perhaps so alien that we can't even recognize its existence, at least the majority of us. "And with strange aeons, even death may die," to quote one of your fellow racists.

What the world wills, the world wills, all else will be annihilated. Our precious values and our paradigms will undoubtedly be validated. Even this statement is a blatant lie.

Anonymous said...

"your stats are juked"

Blacks commit a huge disproportion of murder, and they target whites. I understand why you are uncomfortable discussing the murderous habits of your race.

If you have numbers more accurate then the Bureau Of Justice, please post them.

If not, STFU.

Anonymous said...

"Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. And they rape less white women than white men do, but more than white men rape black women."

Good points all.

Anonymous said...

"Our precious values and our paradigms will undoubtedly be validated"

IN-validated, excuse me. It's a good thing typos will disappear along with everything else!

Sheila said...

SBDL, your supervision of the comment threads is somewhat lacking. I fail to see any relation between Shirley Sherrod and Rodney King and anonymous black commenters asserting evil whites massacred poor Iraqi and Vietnamese people of color. I think you need to decide exactly for whom and to what purpose this blog is intended; your continued indulgence of overly melanin-enriched commenters of limited mental capacity almost leads me to believe, as Desiree charges, that you are black. If you are seeking racial reconciliation, you are naive; if you think you lax comment oversight leads to open dialogue, you are a fool. I continue to visit but remain to be convinced this website is worth my continued time.

Anonymous said...

"confronting the infinite"

"yes we can"

"hope and change"

"we are the ones we've been waiting for"

What is with leftists and their disjointed, meaningless mantras. I love just once to see results that coincide with their ideologies. Blacks were promised paradise in the 50s and 60s by civil rights leaders, yet there has been little noticable change for the better in that segment of the population. Out of wedlock birth-rates still trend upwards, and the black share of the total economic pie has actually shrunk since the mid-century despite the rise of wealthy blacks in athletics and entertainment.

I think less mealy-mouthed feelgood nonsense and more hard work would bode well for black America. Yet even the more successful blacks I know that work hard still bitch about "how white people keep them down", etc. The victim mentality is what keeps them down. Nothing is their fault according to them, and this mentality seems to rob them of being able to enjoy their own success.

So when a video is shown of a black person acting foolishly it is always attributed to a conspiracy and the omnipotent and malevolent "YT".

Anonymous said...

"Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders. And they rape less white women than white men do, but more than white men rape black women."

You forgot the one where rapes by a stranger are most likely to be perpetrated by a black no matter what the race of the victim.

The reality of it all really is quite shocking isn't it?

Repetition is not what makes it true. It gets repeated so often BECAUSE IT IS SO TRUE.

I thoroughly understand why it makes you so uncomfortable.

miked said...

The rest of the universe might also perish, perhaps collapsing in on itself until it produces a singularity that will sit outside of and contain within itself all dimensions. Who knows, maybe it will find a way to reorganize and re-expand, producing an entirely different chaos for sometime. But you will not be 'here' then, none of us will. Our consciousness may carry over into something else, but all evidence indicates that even if it does it will be in a state wholly alien to anything we are aware of now, perhaps so alien that we can't even recognize its existence, at least the majority of us. "And with strange aeons, even death may die," to quote one of your fellow racists.
-------------------------

Maybe so, but what are you going do in the meantime?

WTF does anything you post have to do with the price of tea in china? Silly pseudo-intellectual nonsense like the above is just laughable. Like something you'd read in a $3.00 self-help book you'd buy in an airport. Seriously, blow it out your ass.

Porter said...

Phalluster,

That was an amusing move. You tossed some bait into the cage and then watched the ape go ape. I don't know that I've seen such a bizarre spectacle of rending and thrashing since Desiree and Clyde were allowed to openly copulate. Still, that 3:10 comment would make Oswald Bates foam with envy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6868F53rgKw&feature=related

My favorite lines:

"You are grasping at phantoms in an attempt to superimpose an order...on an infinite chaos that refuses, again and again, to be nailed down."

"you instinctively understand that confronting the infinite will destroy you."

"you birth a surrogate pseudo-philosophy that allows you to hide from the truth"

"The universe...collapsing in on itself until it produces a singularity that will sit outside of and contain within itself all dimensions"

Well, wasn't that educational?

I don't know about you, but I'm now going to take a leisurely, languid dump while confronting the infinite--with the instinctive knowledge that this may very well destroy me. Regardless, I have chosen to, between grunts of expulsion, birth a surrogate pseudo-philosophy that, if accounts are to be believed, will allow me to hide from the truth. So concealed, and under continued strain, my sphincter risks collapsing in on itself until it produces a singularity that will sit outside of and contain within itself all dimensions.

And that is all I have to say about that.

Phalluster said...

What you seem to ignore is that the majority of even what you call the 'cream of the black crop' (I'll include academics and scientists, etc) have not been in any way confronted by mainstream media.

Blacks only win Nobel Prizes for peace, so their impact on academia is just a PC asterisk. Black scientists of exception are even more rare.

Of course, it is not necessary that blacks expand the frontier in these pursuits. You are contending that the average black academician outclasses black politicians and civil servants. Perhaps they do. (but not Cornel West or Henry Gates - we laugh at them also)

It is your own pride, rooted in what I assume is fear, that DEMANDS that you view this as evidence of inferiority.

My pride motivates me, same as yours.

The best evidence of ability is probably a 100 word writing sample. You've been over-generous with this, allowing a thorough assessment. In fact, I can't bring myself to address most of your nonsense, except...

All that infinite singularity of chaos stuff sounds a lot like African governments!

Regarding Sherrod's video: Breitbart did not edit the video in any way. He asked for the full video in April and was given a clip. When the NAACP started beef with the Tea Party, he ran what was given to him.

Bruce in Vancouver said...

"Blacks are 12% of the population, yet commit 50% of all murders.

True, but most of the murders are committed by adult black males and they must be only what......4% or 5% of the Black population? So, it's even worse when viewed that way.

Anonymous said...

I'm just wondering what would have happened if this scenario was reversed. What if a white person took a black person to "their own kind" to be helped whether it be today or when this story took place? We ALL know the answer to that!

I also love that she is applauded for fighting for blax when white people can't fight for anything anymore lest be they labeled racist!

Anonymous said...

"What if a white person took a black person to "their own kind" to be helped whether it be today or when this story took place?"

LOL, are you slow or do you simply not retain historical facts? Your comment has brought a brilliant smile to my face. It's truly absurd, and I love all things absurd.

If SBPDL will allow a digression...Even in the glamorous and enlightened year of 1986 racism in this country was strong. Take this incident in NYC. And I also find this article beautifully ironic, since it details how a bunch of white kids in Queens called a police informant who helped bring the killers to justice a 'rat', a 'stool pigeon', and a 'squealer'. In other words: "STOP SNITCHING!"

I'll quote from the end of the article:

*For the moment, for most teen-agers in Howard Beach, the lessons of this case appear to have much more to do with what they consider the sin of perfidy than with any virtues in telling the truth.

''This is my best friend,'' said a girl outside John Adams High School, hugging another girl who, like her, had wavy brown hair and was wearing a blue-jean jacket. ''No way would I ever rat on her, no matter what. Your friend is your friend. Do you want your friend to spend life in prison?''*

I won't even dwell on the fact that crack, the infamous CIA genocide tool, had exploded by 1986. What did the government do in response? But you don't want to confront that issue, do you? Not without a heft dose of Spinadryl. Never enter a debate without it.

Anonymous said...

"I think less mealy-mouthed feelgood nonsense"

"I'm now going to take a leisurely, languid dump"

Because the monkeys don't understand what I am saying they hurl shit at me. That's fine.

There is nothing 'feel-good' or nonsensical in anything I've said. The fact that you have all interpreted it in this way proves to me that you have no conception of what I'm talking about.

And I am not motivated by pride. I am motivated by equilibrium, by symmetry, I'm more concerned with uncovering what symmetry does exist, however fleeting, than with imposing my own conception of order onto the planet, and by relation the universe at large. I cannot have pride in my race because I am not a member of one race. I am a mixture of at least three, and I have no idea from where in Africa my blood comes. Perhaps this simply places me in a position that the majority of you will never be able to approach, I don't know.

Anon@3:42- The majority of rapes are committed by white men. 67%, actually. Stop using the women you rape as tools in your race war. It's disgusting and embarrassing. It's no surprise that black men rape more white women and I have no problem confronting that at all. There are more white women and they are notoriously easier to control than black women. Their bodies and images have been hypersexualized by advertisers and so in the western world they are still the ideal target for rapists. Of all colors. Most men are also drawn towards the exotic, the forbidden and the taboo when it comes to women. Hence the white mans obsession with Asian women, and raping young Asian girls (and boys) all over that continent and this one.

"Maybe so, but what are you going do in the meantime?"

I'm going to continue making money from music and photography, and I will keep traveling and studying the subjects that fascinate me most until I die. With a little luck and a lot of work I hope to be able to begin an outreach program of sorts that attempts to help and teach impoverished youth, of all races, about the potential for personal expression, technical understanding and innovation that can be derived from studying music, art, history and science together, in a creative and interactive fashion. I want to see what people are capable of when they don't have to break their backs just to eat and live decent lives. It's a curiosity of mine because I've lived in some fucked up places and met some brilliant children. The kids get duped by popular culture into thinking this way or that, and that coupled with the already enormous pressure of being poor from birth tends to have enormous psychological stresses that may very well take generations to overcome.

Anonymous said...

I shouldn't be wasting my time writing this here, I should be writing up grant proposals and researching NGO's. I'm sure you would all agree. Well, maybe not the part about grants!

I'll leave you with these:
African Genius Kids: youngest students ever to pass the advanced Maths A level. African Genius, 14 Year Old Self Taught Engineer makes Electricity For Village. Genius Young Ethiopian: Made telephone available in his little town using scraps.

Just to show that preconceived notions are often ill-conceived notions. There are plenty of creative white children, so I felt no need to include those videos. Just look at how few views the first to videos have.

CWN said...

If anything, Rodney King should be in jail for causing the riots and mass destruction. His uncontrolled blackness caused innocent white cops , doing their job, to go through hell.

The black savages used it as an excuse to rob, destroy, and kill. They no more cared about King then they cared about speaking proper english. It was a ruse. Blacks showed their south african side. They showed their racism. They showed their true "colors". The Zulu's were attacking.

How many of those in that race riot, targeted at innocent whites, got charged with hate crimes, I wonder? Could you imagine if a bunch of whites in the south got together, rioted, and targeted blacks for violence, all because of black cops arresting a white meth dealer who was out of control? Needless to say, it would never happen.

Now as far as that Shirley chick. Edited or not, she did a racist thing at her job, and that should be enough for her to lose her job. It would be enough for a white to lose their job. She never payed a price for her actions.

The NAACP laughs it up, but what do you expect? Is that really a shock? Everyone with a brain knows what they truly are. Nobody can take them seriously. I mark them down with the black panthers, nation of Islam, sharpton, and jackson. It's all the same race hustling game. I am never shocked or stunned by their behavior. Same ole same ole.

Altho if presidents and other officials are going to address the NAACP, they should also visit the KKK and address them. Just to be fair. Maybe some skinhead groups.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps they do. (but not Cornel West or Henry Gates - we laugh at them also)

Happy I'm not alone in that assessment.

Ryan said...

Wow, from Sheila down to Bruce in Vancouver, you guys really nailed it down, and I applaud what you've said.

I don't know about anyone else, but it seems to me that pro-black support has been absolutely horrible in the past few weeks. But maybe it's always been like this. . .

Any kind of rebuttle to SBPDL or its support has been full of wordy nonsense with links to liberal/black blogs and or black websites. In other words, to more idiots like themselves.

However, like I have mentioned twice before, SBPDL is not doing a service to anyone, especially not to the content of it's blog, to have fools running amok with garbage whenever a new entry is posted.

SBPDL you are actually alienating everyone here in the comment section by doing what you do, and causing frustration to yourself no doubt. You had to come on and defend your entry on the fourth post? Come on man, time to completely filter out the wackos!

Anonymous said...

Geeze, I built an electric motor when I was 9 or 10, I never got a BBC special.

I would hardly describe myself as an engineer because I could follow instructions. Here is the lesson hilarity, white ingenuity and the ability to follow simple instructions in the mundane is the norm, when blacks do it, it is exceptional, and understandably so. But good for them, they made earn a Nobel Prize in reading.

miked said...

"There is nothing 'feel-good' or nonsensical in anything I've said. The fact that you have all interpreted it in this way proves to me that you have no conception of what I'm talking about. "

Oh. My. God. You actually believe you are insightful, don't you? Is this because the guilt infected whites you speak to lap it up like a drug? Don't believe what they tell you, they've been brainwashed to kiss your ass.

Trust me, you're an idiot and if you were white I would tell you the same thing. But then again, so would everyone else so I really wouldn't have to.

Stuff Black People Don't Like said...

Ryan,

One should always know their audience, however a number of these comments have been so over-the-top and funny I had to allow them through.

Phalluster and Porter responded hilariously and I will admit to missing Desiree, especially with the "not the whiteman's bitch" slogan becoming huge news.

Anyways, I've yet to read anyone try and attack my main point:

The Rodney King tapes were edited and led to massive destruction and death.

The Sherrod tapes were edited and this led to groveling and apologies.

Perhaps an upcoming SBPDL should be "the concept of reverse racism"...

Anonymous said...

"crack, the infamous CIA genocide tool"

This rumor was exhaustively investigated, and found to have no basis in reality.

No surprise that blacks are still repeating it, I guess it's easier to blame-whitey than to be responsible for your own atrocious behavior.

Anonymous said...

"Geeze, I built an electric motor when I was 9 or 10, I never got a BBC special.

I would hardly describe myself as an engineer because I could follow instructions."

Your comment is a major comprehension fail. There were no instructions. He built it from the picture, not a blueprint. This is why there is an interest in him. And you building an electric motor when you were 10 simply supports my interest in the idea that people the world over might be able to produce wonderful things if they weren't forced to break their backs in order to eat. It's a very simple idea, try not to let your racism cloud your mind so thoroughly in the future. He lived in a village in Africa, with no electricity. You lived where?

I am now thoroughly convinced that I am speaking to pack of superficially sophisticated monkeys, polished cats and dogs who are too ignorant to realize their own foolishness. Ryan cites being directed to 'liberal' blogs but fails to realize that he would re-direct me to 'conservative' white blogs, as if they're any less idiotic! I think he needs to read up on polarization and relativity. He also poses as an Alex Jones supporter yet advocates censorship on a minor backwater blog. He also seems to believe that blacks are collectively inferior to whites yet he marries and fathers a child with a black woman. Like that baby isn't gonna be fucked up...He also fails to realize that 'pro-black', in the vast, vast majority of the cases simply does not mean the same thing as 'pro-white'. One aims to uplift an already subjugated 'race', the other aims to further subjugate even more races.

"Could you imagine if a bunch of whites in the south got together, rioted, and targeted blacks for violence...? Needless to say, it would never happen."

CWN has apparently sealed himself in a 5,000 year old surrogate baby-universe where lynch mobs never took place, hicks with guns aren't itching to shoot Mexicans in the face, racist militias aren't forming in rural regions that occasionally kill innocent minorities and the US government didn't murder millions of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan for the actions a small minority that resulted in the loss of a few thousand lives.

miked seems to think 'informing' me of his opinion that were I white people would call me an idiot, even when I've held my own at every other forum I post at anonymously and without revealing my racial background, somehow constitutes an argument or a victory for himself. He seems to believe that saying it isn't so makes it disappear. Tell it to Bohm and Schrodinger. Tell it to Michio Kaku. Tell it to Feynman: "'In high school, his IQ was determined to be 125: high, but "merely respectable" according to biographer Gleick. Feynman later scoffed at psychometric testing."

And Porters regression into shit-flinging was the typical coprophilic icing on the cake. Thank you for clarifying, and SBPDL, thank you for aligning yourself with such behavior.

concerning the Sherrod and King tapes, you have no point. The Sherrod tapes were presented in a manner that was entirely deceptive, trying to indicate that she never did all she could do to help that family, when in fact she did, and they still vouch for her. The effectiveness of this deception is evident as you still have people that believe she didn't, because they fail to recognize that what she was describing was her awakening and that she did indeed go on to help them as fully as anyone else. It was also her first and last time she had any such reservations. The LAPD is STILL infamous for police brutality as they were before the King beating, and that video was only edited to show LESS of the beating they gave the man, and in fact to highlight the portion of that beating that was most questionable.

Either way, they got off didn't they?

Anonymous said...

And I hope you do begin this fabled censorship in earnest, because that would make this place even funnier as it would quite hilariously resemble this apt example of a rather unrefined Ouroboros.

Anonymous said...

I shouldn't be wasting my time writing this here, I should be writing up grant proposals and researching NGO's. I'm sure you would all agree. Well, maybe not the part about grants!

I'll leave you with these:
African Genius Kids: youngest students ever to pass the advanced Maths A level. African Genius, 14 Year Old Self Taught Engineer makes Electricity For Village. Genius Young Ethiopian: Made telephone available in his little town using scraps.

Just to show that preconceived notions are often ill-conceived notions. There are plenty of creative white children, so I felt no need to include those videos. Just look at how few views the first to videos have.


As another anonymous poster pointed out,this is the sort of project that white kids do (or used to do,in the days before the XBox and the IPOD came along) more or less routinely. (When the revolution finally gets here,the people that dreamed up the XBox and the IPod will have a great many difficult questions to answer.)

That Malawi windmill is very admirable,to my way of thinking. But two points come to mind.

Point 1 is that this is the kind of installation that was very common on farms and in backyards in the U.S. before the 1950's. If you wanted something (like electricity),but it wasn't available over-the-counter,or if it was available but you didn't have the cash to buy it,you scrounged up whatever bits and pieces were available and you built something that worked until you could afford something better. You can call it progress. It's the way things get done,and on the whole,Americans used to be pretty damned good at it. A lot more than you might think still are,but we have to contend with the nasties from the local HOA,backbreaking taxes,and the rest of the high priced amenities that way too many people take for granted-and stuff doesn't get built like it used to get built.

Point 2-A home built,electricity generating windmill is great! Now,how many of them are there in the ENTIRE GODFORSAKEN CONTINENT of Africa????? Not very many,I'd bet-but it isn't like the things can't be built. The video is proof that they can be built out of local materials with next to no cash,and perform a useful function after being built. So answer this question-

Why aren't these things sprouting up like mushrooms after a rain?

Ryan said...

Perhaps you are right when people actually stand up and post against PC black agenda garbage. My experience in previous blogs where I actually tried to rationalize with these people proved fruitless because they just don't seem to grasp reality. They believe the truth is aired on TV, and told by their community leaders, when in actuality it's all fabricated lies.

When confronted, they don't quit, ever. They come back with the same meaningless reused slogan, or pathetically weak argument. I posted on a blog for about 4 hours straight arguing back and forth with some black guy. And he had nothing more on his side than to point to the PC media and academia to back up his position. Eventually the blog owner came in and banned him from posting anymore, and even then he informed us that he was still trying to post. When he gave up on that, he e-mailed the blog owner calling him a coward because he wasn't allowed to post anymore.

Like I've said before, blacks don't necessarily use logic or reason, to them shouting louder and more often is victory. It's all about emotions, and nothing else.

A few years back I got into a long argument on youtube with some Jamaican immigrant about all these issues. Yet the one that got her most upset was, you guessed it, ancient Egypt.

This went on for several days, and eventually I linked her a couple sources, which seemed to placate her until three days later when she sent me the message that those sources were lies meant to cover up great black achievments. At that point, realizing talking to her was pointless, I just stopped responding.

Also, like someone posted a few weeks back about their experience in a blog where the owner valued the right to free speech more than anything else, allowed the site to be hijacked by blacks who repeated the same nonsense over and over, which eventually drove out everyone else.

So this SBPDL is what comes to my mind when I see the same thing happening here, and that is why I am so much against having people like Desiree posting the same nonsense over and over.

Anonymous said...

If I lIved the rest of my days wIthout seeIng, hearIng or havIng to deal wIth another nIgger, I would be happy. LIke most people that grew up In boston, I commute 50 mIles each way, everyday so I, and my famIly dont have to deal wIth the black savage.

Salenegtupues said...

SBDL has come a long way since I first started reading it a few months ago.

Congratulations! Outstanding writing. And you definitely took care of the grammatical and other writing errors that used to be plentiful.

The only thing that now bugs me about this site is that you let too many low-IQ blacks ramble on quite stupidly in the comments section.

Anonymous said...

However, because Mr. King is black, the media had a ready-made explanation for the beating. “Racism” explained it, and the media gave full voice to the war-cry that means they think they have a sure enough white “racists” in their sights. The media scarcely mentioned what Mr. King had done to provoke a beating. They ignored the fact that Mr. King had two companions with him in the car, both of whom were black, both of whom did what the police told them to do, both of whom were unharmed (though one is now claiming they were roughed up). And of course, they turned a deaf ear when Mr. King himself said he did not think the police beat him because he was black. Thus, the media took what was, at worst, an ambiguous incident and blew it into a huge case of white racism.
The entire eruption of violence — which included smaller-scale outbreaks in San Francisco, Las Vegas, Atlanta, and many other cities — can be traced directly to the reckless way the media handled the Rodney King incident from the start. Now that the trial is over, and the facts in the case are clear, the media’s behavior can be seen in all its astonishing irresponsibility.

Anonymous said...

" Breitbart did not edit the video in any way. He asked for the full video in April and was given a clip. When the NAACP started beef with the Tea Party, he ran what was given to him."

Actually, if you go to cnn.com and look for the video where Breitbart and John King from John King USA are discussing the Sherrod video, Brietbart confesses that he had been given all the tapes of the video, but only "managed" to post the clip that's on youtube. He believed that the public only needed to see the "racism" in the room during the meeting.

To this day Brietbart hasn' apologized, which shows his weak character for a man. A man should always own up to his mistakes. But I could care less if he apologizes or not. It's only going to make him look like a fool in the long run.

Milo

Anonymous said...

"Like I've said before, blacks don't necessarily use logic or reason, to them shouting louder and more often is victory. It's all about emotions, and nothing else."

If you white supremists are so smarter than us, then why do you waste your "intelligence" by gathering information on blacks and posting insults on blacks, and also having an argument with someone for 4 or more hours straight with someone and then find out that the argument was useless. I don't know if it's just me, but it seems to me that pratically everyone on this site, besides the black supporters, and blacks are lifeless.

All you guys do is post things about blacks that no more than a small percentage of the world even cares about. If you're smarter than us blacks, then why do you use your intellectuality on insulting blacks with the "truth" instead of doing something productive and positive? Why not do something that's actaully going to help the world?

Oh wait, I know! It's because you're smarter than blacks who don't use reasoning or logic, and think shouting louder and louder is victory. You white supremists and racists are so smarter than us blacks!

*Ha!!!!!!*

CWN said...

"CWN has apparently sealed himself in a 5,000 year old surrogate baby-universe where lynch mobs never took place, hicks with guns aren't itching to shoot Mexicans in the face, racist militias aren't forming in rural regions that occasionally kill innocent minorities and the US government didn't murder millions of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan for the actions a small minority that resulted in the loss of a few thousand lives."

Lynch mobs take place today? Were they taking place when the Rodney King riot happened? Nope.

Hicks with guns shooting mexicans? I don't know what you are referring to. The minute men are unarmed and never use force to deal with the illegal invading mexicans. Altho I would support them even if they did. The government sure is not protecting us from illegal invaders, the drug cartels, para military, and terrorists crossing the border. Americans have a right to protect their country from invasion.

Maybe you are talking about the "hick" farm and ranch owners who have their property rights violated by illegal aliens, and then sued. On private property it is perfectly legal to carry a gun around. Plus there is that little thing called the second amendment.

Racist militias? You mean like the black panthers or nation of islam? Both groups of which have been involved in murders ( The zebra killings for one). Where as white militias simply want to keep to themselves and not have the government bother them. It is called freedom.

Your final statement about Iraq and Afghanistan has nothing to do with anything. It is not raced based, and I never said That I supported either war. Infact, Obama, a black president, is still fighting those wars.

To Milo

As far as Brietbart apologizing. He has nothing to apologize for. He exposed the truth of how race is used by racist groups such as the NAACP and the left, while they attack the tea party for racism without any proof. He still has his reward up for anyone showing any proof, none have claimed it. They can't. There is no proof.

Now whether that chick had an epiphany or not, is not the point. She was using anti white racism at her job. And the NAACP crowd applauded her for it. That is the real story, not this smokescreen about an edited video. It was never about her, but about racial double standards, which breitbart proved to exist. Period.

Anonymous said...

"As far as Brietbart apologizing. He has nothing to apologize for. He exposed the truth of how race is used by racist groups such as the NAACP and the left, while they attack the tea party for racism without any proof."

I so knew this was going to happen. Classical white supremist denial of anything a white did wrong. I was deciding with myself whether or not to post that the racists and white supremists on here would post a reply similar to that. You guys are way too predictable.

CWN,

" She was using anti white racism at her job. And the NAACP crowd applauded her for it. That is the real story, not this smokescreen about an edited video. It was never about her, but about racial double standards, which breitbart proved to exist. Period."

Where's the evidence that says that? Where's your proof? I'd like to see some because I don't believe that, and unlike you I actually have sources telling other wise. So unless you can back it up, admit that you're wrong, or continue to be a pathetic white supremist, christian dunce.

Milo

Anonymous said...

"...and that is why I am so much against having people like Desiree posting the same nonsense over and over."

I have tried to ignore the continuous use of the name Desiree in your posts, but cannot stand it anymore. Your beef with Desiree can be taken else where. If anyone has been posting nonsense, it's been you. Lately you've gotten into more arguments here than any other person. I suggest you stop being such an instigator, and do what a lot of people need to do, live and forget.

And don't take this comment sensitively. Scratch that. In your case don't take it too sensitively.

Ordinary Citizen

Ryan said...

To Anon at July 23, 2010 9:14 AM "Ryan cites being directed to 'liberal' blogs but fails to realize that he would re-direct me to 'conservative' white blogs, as if they're any less idiotic! I think he needs to read up on polarization and relativity. He also poses as an Alex Jones supporter yet advocates censorship on a minor backwater blog. He also seems to believe that blacks are collectively inferior to whites yet he marries and fathers a child with a black woman. Like that baby isn't gonna be fucked up...He also fails to realize that 'pro-black', in the vast, vast majority of the cases simply does not mean the same thing as 'pro-white'. One aims to uplift an already subjugated 'race', the other aims to further subjugate even more races."

Ok first off, fuck you. Second no where have I stated that I believe blacks are innately inferior. Quote me from any of my posts, and if you think I said that they are inferior, then you missed my point. Third, these conservative white blogs? They aren't full of liberal pseudo science lies.

Politically correct views are about social engineering. In this case the goal is to reduce the power of the West. This is pretty much a done deal, and even the most staunch conspiracy denier can now see the writing on the wall. We are in for a big change. So why was this done? Who supports this? The media, academia, and politicians. Who would be so influential as to turn a host of conservative nations against themselves? It's ironic that these so called race realists claim it's all marxism. Where would they have gotten the money and power to change countries from the inside out? I think these people their head in the sand.

Research who owns the Federal Reserve. After that it all falls into place.

My goal isn't to put down Black people persay, but put down racist Blacks who claim the White man is the curse of their race, and all their problems come from Whites. If you can't understand that then you're no better than these so called racist Whites.

There is no way to dispute the evidence shown on this site when it comes to Black behavior. Some of it is just from stupid individuals, but there are many that are not. On the whole it paints a picture of a people suffering from a serious problem. So go ahead, take each and every entry by SBPDL and disprove them, I dare ya!

When it comes down to it, I don't feel that the problems the Black community has cannot be fixed if we are honest about the issues they face, and work together to make a better tommorrow. Yet we human beings are constantly bombarded with propaganda to keep us seperated, and to make us believe the other race is full of boogy men.

Still think I'm racist? Then I suspect the racism is in you, and not me.

Silent Running said...

I have to side with Sheila and Ryan, SBPDL. I don't think you're black, but you do need to decide who your target audience is. You've mentioned once or twice that white lawyers and academics have written to you (anonymously, of course) to show their appreciation for your work. The implication being that you provided a voice for the voiceless, those of us expected to keep our mouths shut as non-whites dictate to us how things are going to be from now on. If this isn't the case, I implore you to say so now.

Another commenter mentioned that there are scores of blogs and websites that explicitly cater to Desiree and her ilk. There are comparatively few blogs that unabashedly speak the truth about black misbehavior. Why do you feel the need to let black liars be heard here when they have so many other places to spread their lies? This is your property. You're under no obligation to allow blacks to hijack your comment section by loudly repeating disproved theories and laughable pseudo-science. Allowing misbehavior here only serves to drive away your target audience.

Finally, you say "One should always know their audience, however a number of these comments have been so over-the-top and funny I had to allow them through."

95% of what blacks think is over-the-top and nonsensical. The fact that they earnestly believe bullshit might be funny. But when black bullshit comes to dictate terms of debate and actually influence policy, it ceases to be funny. BRA owes its existence to the validation of black sophistry, and my people are dying as a result. I'm not laughing.

Anonymous said...

Now,how many of them are there in the ENTIRE GODFORSAKEN CONTINENT of Africa????? Not very many,I'd bet-but it isn't like the things can't be built. The video is proof that they can be built out of local materials with next to no cash,and perform a useful function after being built. So answer this question-

Why aren't these things sprouting up like mushrooms after a rain?"

Calm down man, they are. Now if only the World Bank, all the arms dealers trying to turn a quick buck off of chaos, the resource-hungry nations that love the divide and rule method of foreign policy, and their corporate political puppets would vanish into thin air...

I think Africa has a good chance at becoming a major supporter of new clean energy technology. Heaven knows it has the resources. Now it is becoming evident that it has the means as well.

South Africa, of course, is in trouble. The World Bank saw to that by approving that multi-billion euro loan to Eskom "despite broad based opposition from local people, the poor, community organisations, the churches, unions, and environmental and social justice NGOs locally and globally."

In spite of the fact that a few sad little white dudes in far away countries find it so urgent to both disenfranchise the people, and prove that Africans are animals or worse, without the intelligence to plant crops or create languages, the sleeping giant begins to stir.

http://www.afriwea.org/

http://www.africanwindpower.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Africa

Anonymous said...

"Ok first off, fuck you."

LOL. I suspect this was due to my comment about your child. Well, I 'pologize.

"Second no where have I stated that I believe blacks are innately inferior. Quote me from any of my posts..."

OK, I will:

"One could easily point out that Blacks are inferior in every respect except for physical prowess due to their poor performances througout all of human history, and in every place they have ever been. This could be a sign that it is part of your genetic heritage as well. I believe culture only goes so far to explain behavior."

Kind of a short memory span there, huh?

"Third, these conservative white blogs? They aren't full of liberal pseudo science lies."

You're right, they're filled with conservative pseudo-science lies and selective statistics divorced from any historical perspective.

"In this case the goal is to reduce the power of the West."

And who, might I ask, will be in power instead? The east? The south? Really?

"Research who owns the Federal Reserve. After that it all falls into place."

I'm fully aware that banks and corporations are 'running' things.

"My goal isn't to put down Black people persay, but put down racist Blacks who claim the White man is the curse of their race, and all their problems come from Whites."

Very few are claiming that all of our problems stem from whites, they don't. Just the racist ones. Which are quite large.

"There is no way to dispute the evidence shown on this site when it comes to Black behavior. Some of it is just from stupid individuals..."

No, it is ALL from individuals. Much of it isn't even a 'problem' per se, just things some white dude doesn't like about some black people.

"On the whole it paints a picture of a people suffering from a serious problem."

You are right. But that problem is mostly rooted in racism. Those which aren't are shared by every other race. Why do you think the discussion persists so widely if it's a non-issue? You (or at least the majority of people who frequent this blog) seem to secretly think black people are the most brilliant people on the planet, that in the past we suckered a majority of the white race into thinking we were subhuman for centuries by tricking a few of them into enslaving, raping, dehumanizing, murdering and lynching us, and brutally colonizing our lands and hypnotizing us with their propaganda so that, generations later, we could start protesting, proclaiming that we are more than 3/5ths human and deserve to be treated with respect, meet massive resistance and only grudgingly be given our freedoms only after some of our leaders were assassinated by the FBI and COINTELPRO and we started threatening to wage revolutionary warfare, thereby insuring that government organizations would forever closely monitor our every move and indeed take steps to destabilize any cohesion we achieved as a result by dumping off guns into the neighborhoods to insure that we start shooting each other, over drugs we bribed the CIA into importing, due primarily to raging inferiority complexes that we tricked the white media to implant into our heads so that one day we could draw attention to our synthetic plight and some white people would be so ashamed of their actions and/or the actions of their ancestors that they would elect a half-black president (who we actually built in a lab) so we could take over the future. Of course, we could only accomplish this brilliantly conceived coup with cooperation from the Native Americans, who were so dedicated that they offered blood sacrifices of the majority of their race and their entire continent to the cause, and the Illuminati and the Devil.

Anonymous said...

If you're not racist then I resolve that you should repudiate your above-quoted statement, and any other racist elements within you or within this site.

And we can talk conspiracy if you want. Give me your email address. We can talk about the Fed, about the Bilderberg Group, the CFR, The Black Sun, the OTO, NASA and the NAZI's, pedophile rings, Eugenics, the Cryptocracy, Diogenes' Lamp, Michael Aquino, the NSA, Menwith Hill, Propaganda Due, The Nazi International, Hassan i Sabbah, Christian Rosenkreutz, The Knights Templar, blood ritual, MiST, whatever you wanna talk about.

Anonymous said...

"He also fails to realize that 'pro-black', in the vast, vast majority of the cases simply does not mean the same thing as 'pro-white'. One aims to uplift an already subjugated 'race', the other aims to further subjugate even more races."

It is the same thing you imbecile. The same exact fucking thing. They are identical in purpose they only differ by their degree of success for their respective groups. The very fact you think they are so intrinsically different shows how far up your own ass you really are.

Quit trying to rationalize your own racism. It's ok for you but no one else, because blacks are nature's tortured little angels right? Go sell someplace they're buying, cuz it ain't here.

Anonymous said...

Um, it's really not. One race doesn't have to be subjugated for another to be free. That's nonsense. Even intelligent Darwinian's don't believe that nonsense.

If white people were more concerned with being proud of their own heritage and advancing their own interests then less of them would spend so much time trying fruitlessly to prove that Africans are less evolved or whatever and pointing out every little misstep made by anyone with black skin. They'd also spend less time belittling and making fun of other races, because, as everyone with a working mind knows and has known since grade school, if you need to tear someone else down in order to feel good about yourself you have a raging inferiority complex.

My girlfriend is Hungarian and Italian, and very proud of her heritage. I have zero problem with that. I see Irish Pride shirts EVERYWHERE. Again, zero problems. The same goes for every race. But when you're just saying 'white power' or 'white pride' you seem to be missing the point. You all know your heritage, or at least can often find out much easier than black people. We say 'black pride' here in America because most of us have no idea where we came from. You know why that is. We also have to say 'black pride' because for centuries, and even to this day, there are white racists hell-bent on proving that we are inferior and less than human. I really don't know how you can't see this if you're looking at it rationally.

I am forced to conclude that you are not.

I'm not racist in the slightest, I think every culture on earth has its own unique beauty and its sadly uniform ugliness.

And I don't think blacks are tortured little angels, what in hell could have led you to assume that, beyond an irrational bias? I've never stated any such thing. In fact, my position is that Africans have the same tendencies, brutality and closed-mindedness, as every other race. It is a matter of historical scale and precedent, and the long lasting effects of centuries long campaigns of brutality, bigotry and closed-mindedness that concern me. You, on the other hand, seem only concerned with the short-term.

Ryan said...

"Kind of a short memory span there, huh?"

This was taken out of context. It means that it wouldn't matter even if Blacks are inheritantly inferior. You obviously don't get it, because I was thinking this exact line when I wrote about quoting a racist line.

"You're right, they're filled with conservative pseudo-science lies and selective statistics divorced from any historical perspective."

What historical perspective? Where and in what place have Blacks ever succeeded on their own? When judging the history of Black achievment, anyone would find them rather lacking. Instead to compensate, this is where the racist part from Blacks comes into play, they make up lies with abosolutely nothing to back them up. The few scientists on their side are PC liberals who don't look at the whole picture, fabricate claims, and lie about the whole overal picture. Because they have a liberal agenda to fulfill.

So if Blacks have little achievment, then it is because of racist Whites. Think about that, because it's a load of horse shit.

"And who, might I ask, will be in power instead? The east? The south? Really?"

Come on stop being an idiot here. It's those with power taking everything from those who still have something.

"If you're not racist then I resolve that you should repudiate your above-quoted statement, and any other racist elements within you or within this site."

Why do I have to state whether i'm racist or not? Who cares, and what does it matter other than to cow tow to the PC thought police, who by the way are put into place by the very same organizations you listed.

Their goal isn't to keep Black people down, that would be rather silly to do that to an already disempowered group, rather, their goal is to keep people from unifying. This would include all peoples . . .

Anonymous said...

"This was taken out of context."

This is just too funny. What happened to Shirely Sherrod ends up happening to one of our very own, and of course it's Ryan. Even though I'm not so sure Ryan is...innocent.

"they make up lies with abosolutely nothing to back them up."

In most cases you'd think that Blacks do make up lies about whites when it comes to racism, but that is actually not true. Most racism cases that are notified end up having the white man doing something racist towards the black man. For example, the white man either discriminates against the black man and arrest him for a crime that a white brother did. Or discriminates against him by over using his authority on a suspect and giving that black suspect a beating that's not deserved.

Or the white man sentences the black guy for life in jail for shooting a white guy, but the white guy doesn't die while some other white guy gets 20 yrs. for killing and raping a young black woman. In life this happens and it's not lies. I have a story where this has happened, but I'm not going to discuss so because there's no need to do so.

Back to the making up lies with nothing to back it up with.... If I were white I'd probably believe the same thing, but I'm not. Being black I've seen the discrimination and racism put against us. I've seen that many whites in power have misused their power and caused the black guy to suffer a consequence that's not deserved. I've seen the white guy in power throw or not use the evidence that proves the black guy's evidence.

So it's not odd that you believe that we make lies with nothing to back them up with, but we actually don't make lies with no proof in most cases. But for us to state it means have a source or witness that testifies truth to what we say. In a WRA(White Run America) many whites misuse their power and throw away the evidence proving that the black man's "lie" is true. So go on ahead and believe that theory of yours. As long as my brothers and I, and sisters know the truth, it doesn't matter if you and other white supremists, racists, stereotypes..ect choose to label our stories as lies.

Ryan said...

One thing Black nationalists, and liberals fail to understand is perspective. It is a very sad thing when Whites are blamed for slavery, when they should be celebrated for what they did with it.

They ended it.

Part of Black culture in Africa was to capture and enslave their fellow Blacks. Arabs bought from them, and went to war with Blacks to enslave them on the eastern side of Africa. This went on for at least a millenium, and life was brutal for those they took. Since they weren't allowed to breed with each other, they had no future as a people in the Arab world. However, some percentage of Arabs have DNA from the past few thousand years, and it is all from the female side. Meaning that the female Black sex slaves they took had mixed children.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT_RSDeAYjI
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180338/

When Europeans came upon Western Africa in the 15th century and onwards they began to take advantage of Black slavery. They bought Blacks slaves from Blacks. The age of imperialism didn't come until the late 19th century, when slavery was formally abolished. So keep in mind who sold who.

Then when no one else in the world, particuarily the Arabs would ban slavery, by the early 19th century White Europeans and their colonies began to. They enforced it through their superior military power, and ended up officially ending slavery world wide by the end of the century.

If not for those Europeans who ended it, slavery would be as common worldwide today as it was several centuries ago.

Why is this not discussed? Why is this never taken into consideration by liberals and Black nationalists? Because they have an agenda to maintain, and the realization that Whites are not so evil would hurt their cause.

http://www.globalpolitician.com/26359-liberalism

The truth is that everywhere in the world people of every group fought, killed, enslaved, and drove their neighbors out of their own lands. In some case this resulted in genocide. This was particuarly the history of the so called peaceful Sioux who destroyed several tribes around them, and took their lands as their own.

This is a human fault, not a racial fault. White Europeans advanced their civilizations at a faster rate than any other when the renaissance began, so much so that no one else could compete with them in any arena. Why is it then taken apon them not to use their power to take over the world? Any other group of peoples would have done the same, except no other group ever had such an imbalance of power that would allow them to do so.

Ryan said...

http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-africa-has-gone-to-hell.html

This is Africa, this is the great Black legacy.

Read it and be informed.

Stop the excuses.

Anonymous said...

"This was taken out of context. It means that it wouldn't matter even if Blacks are inheritantly inferior. You obviously don't get it..."

I DO get it. You're on the fence on this issue, you've said so yourself, and it seems obvious to me that you see it as more of a likelihood that black people are inferior. You give the reader no reason to assume otherwise, and when taken in context you're posting these things in defense of a site, and indeed a mentality, that plainly believes itself to be superior! What am I missing? It is your kind of rhetoric that is bound to "keep people from unifying," not my assertions that black people are indeed intelligent and equal, however different we may be. You've also called me an Afrocentric when I clearly stated that I simply think Egypt had a lot more black people in it than you do, that I believe that black Africans had a lot more to do with the genesis of that civilization than you do, and that I reject your continued claims about a lack of African "achievements" (where "achievements" is read as "accomplishments identical to those of Europeans"). One does not need to be an Afrocentric thinker to think that Africans have their own entirely valid set of accomplishments. I'm a universalist thinker, by the way (not Christian though).

"What historical perspective? Where and in what place have Blacks ever succeeded on their own?"

Anything I cite will be called lies and PC propaganda so I'm not going to bother any longer. It's that simple to me. Basil Davidson (R.I.P.), who was a widely respected historian, had nothing on you, apparently. Jared Diamond of 'Guns, Germs and Steel' fame must also be nothing more than a shill for the PC agenda. It's ridiculous. Jared Diamond has written some excellent articles, by the way, which can be found on his wiki page. And if you think 'the whole picture' ends in the cultural realm then you're clearly not actually thinking. It doesn't even begin there.

"So if Blacks have little achievment, then it is because of racist Whites. Think about that, because it's a load of horse shit."

I never said that. I said blacks DO have a massive amount of precolonial achievements. I also feel that many of those have been undermined, invalidated and in many cases nearly eliminated by white arrogance, colonialism and slavery. Historically it has been the white way or the graveyard for far too many indigenous peoples. This kind of cultural egotism is ridiculous. Imagine strawberries exterminating bananas for being bananas. Isn't it obvious that a strawberry-banana shake is a much better idea? And shouldn't the awakening bananas, now reduced in population, their trees all but cut down, their new seedlings hating themselves and killing each other because they bought into the strawberries propaganda, have a right to speak out and reseed themselves?

"Come on stop being an idiot here. It's those with power taking everything from those who still have something."

I'm not being an idiot at all. Wouldn't those with power still be from the west? And hasn't it always been a minority of people in the west who held most of the power? On the ground this PC 'coup' very well may not translate into anything recognizably more threatening.

"Why do I have to state whether i'm racist or not?"

You don't. That part was obviously (I thought) a joke.

"Their goal isn't to keep Black people down, that would be rather silly to do that to an already disempowered group, rather, their goal is to keep people from unifying. This would include all peoples..."

Well, sure. That's part of my point. However, feeding into old and outmoded propaganda isn't really going to help either.

If SBPDL approves the comment I left on his latest post I urge you to examine the links therein.

Anonymous said...

I didn't see your last two posts spin doctor. I'm amazed that you think Americans would have ended slavery were it not for ALL THE BLACK SLAVES objecting by escaping and raising hell over it. Amazed. And slavery was hardly ended for humanitarian reasons, as many white supremacists will gladly inform you. Lincoln was no champion of the blacks.

Europeans have always been somewhat ahead of Americans concerning humanitarian initiatives.

I'm glad to see you re-read that link you sent me to a while back.

And everyone already knows Africans had slaves, or indentured servants, this is meaningless to dwell on, because the manner in which they viewed their servants was entirely different from how Americans in particular viewed their slaves. And that was, again, a very small minority of Africans. And further, I'd be willing to bet that if they knew the fate their servants were headed towards they would have done a few things differently.

White people still brought Africans over from Africa, still called them monkeys and inhuman, still raped and murdered the women, and still lynched and murdered the men with impunity. This is exactly what I mean about a lack of historical context. They also had Irish indentured servants. This is indeed a human problem. Since whites temporarily gained the upper hand and then proceeded to abuse that temporary power like a schoolyard bully on a meth bender it should be easy to see why so many of them were so disappointed about the end of slavery. Hell, there was even a war over it. Or did you conveniently forget about that too? There were also a large number of other bigoted systems set up that mostly benefited white people, and that lasted for a hundred years! Then there were the lynchings and the rapes and the murders and the unlawful executions that followed. Now there is the so-called 'War On [some] Drugs'. Oh, and let us not forget the paradoxical 'War On [some] Terrorism'.

And your thesis is not discussed because it is simply not true. Black people rebelled and the North wanted more control of the South. Political opportunists made their moves, humanitarians made theirs and Americans fought a war and BOTH white and black people crusaded against slavery, because they BOTH saw how blatantly inhumane it was to whip people, to attempt to breed intelligence out of them, and to hang them for trying to live better lives. That whole 'pursuit of happiness' line in our Constitution? Oh yeah, you're Canadian.

You then send me to a site that has as its tagline: "Africa remains the heart of darkness. Africa is hell."

THEN LEAVE! Why would you want to live in hell? And SA is NOT all of Africa, nor is it the Great Black Legacy. It is SOUTH AFRICA, the place where APARTHEID REIGNED. And now they wonder why they're experiencing so much aggression. INSANITY! Really.

I'm not saying white people are alone in having problems with slavery and subjugation, but you are making it apparent that at least some of them have problems admitting it after the fact and recognizing the results of it when they see them. No, you'd rather blame it solely on the descendants of the enslaved. It's because of our GENES! It's because we won't SEE THE TRUTH! OH! And all this time I thought it was because people hated us so much, when in fact, no one hates us at all! It's all in our HEADS! No one says nigger or jungle monkey or coon or anything like that! OH, well...this changes everything, man. Why didn't you tell me sooner. White people didn't start chattel slavery of Africans, they ENDED IT! Well, how wrong was I? Thanks for taking that weight off my shoulders! How embarrassing...

Anonymous said...

" In fact, my position is that Africans have the same tendencies, brutality and closed-mindedness, as every other race."

Amen to that brother. Finally someone on this blog realizes that we are equal and that Africans aren't the only ones who rape, kill, and do drugs. For so long we've been framed as nothing but subhuman criminals that are the root of "true" evil.

Anonymous said...

By the way:

"There is adequate evidence citing case after case of Afrikan control of segments of the trade...

...Extenuating circumstances demanding exploration are the tremendous efforts European officials in Afrika used to install rulers agreeable to their interests. They would actively favor one Afrikan group against another to deliberately ignite chaos and continue their slaving activities. I. A. Akinjogbin, noted Afrikan historian, in his article, 'The Expansion of Oyo And The Rise Of Dahomey 1600-1800," gives an example in the Aja Kingdom of Dahomey (now Benin): "The principal European traders took active part in installing kings who they judged would favor their activities, irrespective of whether such kings were acceptable to their subjects, or were the right candidates according to Aja traditions," (History of West Africa, J. F. A. Ajayi and Michael Crowder, eds., p. 389). This is the exact same system used today, whereby certain American Afrikans are put in positions to divide people of Afrikan descent through radio programs, editorials, books, chairs of academic departments, so-called fabricated leaders, executive directors of white supremacists organizations, and so forth.

A couple of additional points to be addressed are the Arab slave trade in Afrika, occurring almost 1,000 years prior to the European slave trade, and continues even today, and continental Afrikan slavery, which was part of the culture, but more humane and unlike the chattel slavery of the United States. In Afrika, slaves were still human beings. In the United States, slaves were property. The cold reality, Afrikans controlled the capture of other Afrikans, initiated several wars and raiding parties to secure captives, set prices for buyers and even extended credit to Europeans for the purchase of Afrikans.

One prevailing and probably wishful sentiment on the part of many is that Afrikan rulers did not know what type of slavery they were selling Afrikans into. A view dispelled by the fact many rulers knowingly went to war with their neighbors, killing millions and destroying entire communities in order to capture fellow Afrikans for sale. Maintaining power, expanding the economy, greed and expansionist ambitions were the prime motivating factors.

There is no way anyone can defend or justify Afrikan involvement in the slave trade, other than acknowledge that it is one of many historical facts that must be faced.

It is mandatory to look at the mistakes of the past so as not to duplicate them again. There are several people of Afrikan descent psychologically and culturally involved in the negative, anti-Black philosophy of western culture. They would turn against other Blacks at the drop of a dime, especially if they felt it would curry favor with their European companions, and often add to their pockets. It is essential to examine the slave trade, in order to understand the same behavior operative today.

Though this effort concentrated on the Afrikan involvement in the slave trade, by no means does it dismiss the European role in the most traumatic, brutal, oppressive event in human history. Europeans, through the church in Rome, and lessons learned from Arabs, launched the Atlantic slave trade, financing the European and American industrial revolution. Thus, the birth of an economic system we practice today, capitalism. Europeans developed it from a pirating operation into a business, partly the European Jewish contribution to the trade, and supplied favored groups with arms and ammunition, contributing to the deaths of millions. Without the Europeans, there would have never been an Atlantic slave trade."

-http://www.africawithin.com/kwaku/afrikan_involvement.htm

So it is wishful thinking on my part that the rulers might not have participated if they knew the fate of their captures. I can accept that, because I was consciously being quite wishful when i wrote it. No matter, it seems likely that my posts won't see the light of day.

Maybe that's wishful thinking as well.

Ryan said...

Ok I’ve been really busy in the past week, and I’ve not bothered to respond. First off, everything you’ve said here can easily be refuted. It almost seems like you just want to be right when half the things you’re saying you don’t even know what you’re talking about. Second, this “Have to keep posting nonsense to get in the last word,” is really childish. It’s time to grow up! Lastly I will no longer respond to any other entries to your garbage anymore because you need to act like a man and put in a name to go by instead of hiding behind the “anon” thing.

“I DO get it. You're on the fence on this issue, you've said so yourself, and it seems obvious to me that you see it as more of a likelihood that black people are inferior. You give the reader no reason to assume otherwise, and when taken in context you're posting these things in defense of a site, and indeed a mentality, that plainly believes itself to be superior!”

Like I said, it doesn’t matter. If you want to talk race, and yes that’s what this site is dedicated to, then let’s bring up how Blacks live, and operate in their own cities, and nations. Their performance is completely dismal. Do you know of any successful Black run city, or nation in the world? There is none, because they all fall apart after a few generations of taking over from White rule. Look at Zimbabwe, and look at all the other Black run nations, and then take a look at now failing South Africa. Detroit fifty years ago was a thriving wealthy city, but now you can buy a house in the middle of the city for less than twenty thousand dollars. Good luck doing something with it though because of all the homeless squatters. This is Black rule.

“You've also called me an Afrocentric when I clearly stated that I simply think Egypt had a lot more black people in it than you do, that I believe that black Africans had a lot more to do with the genesis of that civilization than you do, and that I reject your continued claims about a lack of African "achievements"

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/the-faces-of-ancient-egypt/

She explains in great detail who and what ancient Egyptians are. She is an anthropologist, and uses DNA, language, skeletons, and dug up tools/pottery/artifacts. She is much like me, only wants an unbiased view of the world. You have to read the comment section which is huge to get my point.

I am not here to put down Blacks, but to put Black racists in their place. If that means pointing out lies about Black history then so be it. I don’t care if I come across as racist, that really doesn’t matter to me in the slightest. To me Blacks who argue with me, or with this website are the real racists.
Blacks from Nubia had something to do with Egypt, but on a much smaller scale than even you are admitting, and in fact I would most likely look at this as the racial history of Egypt:

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8d.htm

This coming from a pro-white author, but to me it’s just the same as finding some pro-black one.

Ryan said...

“I never said that. I said blacks DO have a massive amount of precolonial achievements. I also feel that many of those have been undermined, invalidated and in many cases nearly eliminated by white arrogance, colonialism and slavery.”

Where are the achievements?

What civilizations? Nubia? That was tied to Ancient Egypt.

Ethiopia? They traded with and got everything they came to know as civilization from the ancient Romans/Byzantines who converted them to Orthodox Christianity.

Mali? That nation was heavily influenced by Arab nations in the area, and if anything was a short lived experience.

Where was a Black nation who created massive cities, conquered their neighbors, and came up with significant technological gains for their time?

I’m sorry, but there was none to be found anywhere and at anytime.

Sub Saharan Africans never had mathematics, a written language, or any building greater than a one story hut until they came into contact with Caucasians from north Africa/Asia/Europe.

Don’t believe me? Then find the proof and I will check it out.

Basil Davidson can go on and on about culture in Black Africa, but they don’t amount to much besides dancing, cave paintings, and music.

“I'm not being an idiot at all. Wouldn't those with power still be from the west? And hasn't it always been a minority of people in the west who held most of the power? On the ground this PC 'coup' very well may not translate into anything recognizably more threatening.”

So you think Political Correctness doesn’t exist or doesn’t mean much? Time to get informed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

http://www.amren.com/features/19961104rushton.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/2/media-blackout-for-black-panthers/

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40007.html

http://wuphys.wustl.edu/~katz/pc.html

“Well, sure. That's part of my point. However, feeding into old and outmoded propaganda isn't really going to help either.”

Outmoded because of what? Because people of an older generation were less race friendly outside their own, I have to be different? There were reasons why they were the way they were, and to just dismiss it because their views because they don’t conform to modern Political Correctness which is thought control, doesn’t mean they are less valid. You listed all those secret society groups that are in charge of the world through the banking system, politics, and the economy, yet you think they stop at the door when it comes to controlling how people think? Are you putting two and two together? They invented Political Correctness to socially engineer Western Nations. They have changes planned for the future, and PC is one of the tools they are using to do it.

Ryan said...

“I didn't see your last two posts spin doctor. I'm amazed that you think Americans would have ended slavery were it not for ALL THE BLACK SLAVES objecting by escaping and raising hell over it. Amazed. And slavery was hardly ended for humanitarian reasons, as many white supremacists will gladly inform you. Lincoln was no champion of the blacks.”

Spin doctor because I made two more posts? What the fuck is your problem? Again perspective eludes you.

White people freed the slaves, not anyone else. Blacks raising hell over slavery means nothing when they didn’t free themselves. It was the White man who did it, regardless of some Blacks trying to escape. When referring to the US, abolitionists, and others in the north were the ones who pushed for it. They used whatever they could to free the slaves, and yes this even meant the Underground Railroad. I would have pushed for it too if I were them, I think slavery is despicable.

“Europeans have always been somewhat ahead of Americans concerning humanitarian initiatives.”

This means what when it comes to your argument? Oh you’re looking in vain for something to nitpick at that’s what it is ok. Sigh . . .

“And everyone already knows Africans had slaves, or indentured servants, this is meaningless to dwell on, because the manner in which they viewed their servants was entirely different from how Americans in particular viewed their slaves. And that was, again, a very small minority of Africans. And further, I'd be willing to bet that if they knew the fate their servants were headed towards they would have done a few things differently.”

A small minority of Africans, like a small minority of Whites? Or wait, did you think every white family had their own slaves in the Americas? Who the hell were you listening to? Blacks had indentured servants now? Possibly, but I think you got that from White slavery that was rampant alongside Black slavery.
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/07/white_slaves_1.php

You're right, Americans in areas where slavery occurred viewed Black slaves differently than they would have if they were slaves who were white. The simple answer is that they were easily identifiable when a race is considered a slave. If they knew their fate? Are you saying Blacks were so mistreated? Perhaps in places and times they were, yet also I’d argue that that wasn’t the norm unless you think working all day was mistreatment, if that is so then all slaves of all races in all parts of the world were badly mistreated. To be a slave is to work for a master plain and simple. Getting Black slaves was not so cheap when there was no shortage of indentured servants who were Whites who slaved for a term. Regardless of all that, I do know that Black slaves became very expensive, and were not treated nearly as badly as what you think in the latter part of American slave history. There were many, many interviews, in one case I think nearly 100 ex slaves after the civil war who something like 95% had nothing but good things to say about their masters. That and the average price of a slave in the 1800s were astronomical.

Ryan said...

“White people still brought Africans over from Africa, still called them monkeys and inhuman, still raped and murdered the women, and still lynched and murdered the men with impunity. This is exactly what I mean about a lack of historical context.”

This is all conjecture I’m afraid. These things happened, and there probably were thousands of cases of it in the 200+ years of history of the transatlantic slavery with millions of slaves, but it was not the norm. Where is your proof for making such a claim? Like I said, it happened but not to every slave. To present such a case, I could easily say every Black today is a rapist, murdering animal based on news reports right here on this website. So individual cases mean nothing, Whites get perspective based on statistics and a overall view of the situation. Blacks seem to act like deer when they see car lights and freeze, only to focus everything on one event.

“They also had Irish indentured servants. This is indeed a human problem. Since whites temporarily gained the upper hand and then proceeded to abuse that temporary power like a schoolyard bully on a meth bender it should be easy to see why so many of them were so disappointed about the end of slavery.”

Every civilization up to the 19th century either had or accepted slavery as a way of life for the world. Whites temporarily gained the upper hand? They still have it I’m afraid and it hasn’t diminished. What you’re seeing is power going into the hands of the super elite, but the nations that are at their beck and call to fight with the highest degree of technology hasn’t changed. If anything it has gotten worse, because it used to be if Whites rebelled then they could overthrow their own nation, now with scientific exacted political, economic, and information control they can no longer do that. You think so many were disappointed about the end of slavery? Where is your proof? Again as I see it now you’re talking out your racist ass.

“Hell, there was even a war over it. Or did you conveniently forget about that too? There were also a large number of other bigoted systems set up that mostly benefited white people, and that lasted for a hundred years! Then there were the lynchings and the rapes and the murders and the unlawful executions that followed. Now there is the so-called 'War On [some] Drugs'. Oh, and let us not forget the paradoxical 'War On [some] Terrorism'.”

Again your lack of perspective. It seems only natural, and yes not fair that a biased system was set up. It was after all whites who created this civilization, and these Blacks were alien to it. If it were up to me, I would have sent them all back home to Africa with a lot of money and support to get them on their feet. Liberia should have taken them all in my opinion. Look, I don’t agree with mistreatment of anyone for any reason, yet when watching things I would consider horrible in the animal world I don’t then go and dislike or hate that animal. The same thing with the way people behave. I wasn’t there, I am not guilty of these crimes, but I accept that it happened, just as every other injustice happened to every corner of the world. Life here on earth is not fair is it? So just understand that and then you can understand history a little better.

Ryan said...

“And your thesis is not discussed because it is simply not true. Black people rebelled and the North wanted more control of the South. Political opportunists made their moves, humanitarians made theirs and Americans fought a war and BOTH white and black people crusaded against slavery, because they BOTH saw how blatantly inhumane it was to whip people, to attempt to breed intelligence out of them, and to hang them for trying to live better lives.”

How is it not true? Whites didn’t free slaves? So your still a slave? Did you escape? I better tell the authorities! You idiot. The humanitarians were White and supported Black emancipation. If not then there would be no one like Frederick Douglas or he would have been hung before anyone heard about him. Whites ended slavery, do you not get it? What other nations or people went throughout the world to end slavery? Blacks? No. Yellows? No. Browns? No. Reds? No. Whites? YES. My god can you actually think?

“You then send me to a site that has as its tagline: "Africa remains the heart of darkness. Africa is hell."”

Created by a White who has had years living in Africa, what’s wrong with that? Or are you too racist to read anything by a White whose first name isn’t Basil?

“THEN LEAVE! Why would you want to live in hell? And SA is NOT all of Africa, nor is it the Great Black Legacy. It is SOUTH AFRICA, the place where APARTHEID REIGNED. And now they wonder why they're experiencing so much aggression. INSANITY! Really.”

This tells me you haven’t read the article, so why bother responding. In fact the rest of Africa outside of South Africa in the days of Apartheid is much, much, worse. Leave what? Their homes? Ok, I’ll agree for all whites to leave Sub Saharan Africa if all Blacks leave North and South America. Deal? Well that’s the same mentality you have.

“I'm not saying white people are alone in having problems with slavery and subjugation, but you are making it apparent that at least some of them have problems admitting it after the fact and recognizing the results of it when they see them. No, you'd rather blame it solely on the descendants of the enslaved. It's because of our GENES! It's because we won't SEE THE TRUTH! OH! And all this time I thought it was because people hated us so much, when in fact, no one hates us at all! It's all in our HEADS! No one says nigger or jungle monkey or coon or anything like that! OH, well...this changes everything, man. Why didn't you tell me sooner. White people didn't start chattel slavery of Africans, they ENDED IT! Well, how wrong was I? Thanks for taking that weight off my shoulders! How embarrassing...”

Wow, so what your saying is again childish nonsense. See you’re not helping your argument, but instead are digging yourself in further. Where did I blame the descendents? Ok so to help your argument you make up stuff now? Again I’d like to remind you of who you’ve been getting the information from when it comes to this new “Blacks are just the same as Whites” thing that Political Correctness has been spouting off for decades. Oh that’s right the secret societies . . .

Just quit, you’re embarrassing me.

Ryan said...

"There is adequate evidence citing case after case of Afrikan control of segments of the trade...

All of that I would not dispute. But again you just look at what they did and reject the whole thing. Of course it was bad, but then so was every other people by your standards. To this day the establishment seeks to keep everyone divided so we don’t have a coming together to overthrow their wicked evil world empire. It’s that simple.

“A couple of additional points to be addressed are the Arab slave trade in Afrika, occurring almost 1,000 years prior to the European slave trade, and continues even today, and continental Afrikan slavery, which was part of the culture, but more humane and unlike the chattel slavery of the United States. In Afrika, slaves were still human beings. In the United States, slaves were property. The cold reality, Afrikans controlled the capture of other Afrikans, initiated several wars and raiding parties to secure captives, set prices for buyers and even extended credit to Europeans for the purchase of Afrikans.

One prevailing and probably wishful sentiment on the part of many is that Afrikan rulers did not know what type of slavery they were selling Afrikans into. A view dispelled by the fact many rulers knowingly went to war with their neighbors, killing millions and destroying entire communities in order to capture fellow Afrikans for sale. Maintaining power, expanding the economy, greed and expansionist ambitions were the prime motivating factors.”

Sigh . . . They went to war and brutalized each other but their slaves were cherished and treated just as equals . . . My god! Again you’ve fallen into the lap of some idiot who is talking out his racist ass. Everything Blacks do is right and just, and everything Whites do is evil and cruel. Look, you’re being racist here not me, I’m just poking holes in your screwed up establishment type thinking. Perspective man, get some perspective. Helping this racist cause does nothing to help you, you are supporting the view espoused by the establishment. They have already said they want to wipe out 99% of the world population, and you are helping them along by not thinking things through. Blacks are the number one target to eliminate first I hope you know, they just need you to stick around to help bring down the West first, and then they’ll go to work on you.

“There is no way anyone can defend or justify Afrikan involvement in the slave trade, other than acknowledge that it is one of many historical facts that must be faced.”

Yes so it’s ok to face that as a historical fact, but when it comes to Whites buying the slaves they are the ones responsible? Then I could easily argue that all the Blacks who are selling and hooked on drugs are 100% responsible regardless if the CIA and or Mexican drug cartels are the ones bringing it in and making it readily available.

Ryan said...

“It is mandatory to look at the mistakes of the past so as not to duplicate them again. There are several people of Afrikan descent psychologically and culturally involved in the negative, anti-Black philosophy of western culture. They would turn against other Blacks at the drop of a dime, especially if they felt it would curry favor with their European companions, and often add to their pockets. It is essential to examine the slave trade, in order to understand the same behavior operative today.”

More nonsense. This is about rooting out the Uncle Toms and make Blackness into a national religion, oh wait it is . . .


“Though this effort concentrated on the Afrikan involvement in the slave trade, by no means does it dismiss the European role in the most traumatic, brutal, oppressive event in human history.”

Wow, so what happened to the hundreds of thousands of Blacks transported over to North and South America is the most brutal event in human history? This is an extremely racist argument that focuses just on the poor Blacks involved if only to demonize Whites. Fuck you, and fuck the racist asshole who wrote this shit. 84 Million Chinese died just to Red China, and that’s not mentioning the 10-30 million killed by the Japanese a generation before that. Then there is the around 100 million Russian and non-Russian ethnics who died to the Russian Czars and Soviet Russia.

The Rwanda genocide is much worse than the Trans Atlantic Slave trade, yet wait, the White man wasn’t the one who ran around butchering people. But hey you’re a Black Racist/Nationalist/Afro-centrist, so Whites were completely behind what happened in Rwanda!

Then let’s not leave out the Arab Slave trade where they castrated millions of Blacks, and used the women as sex slaves. Oh no, but the Transatlantic Slave Trade is much worse . . .

“Europeans, through the church in Rome, and lessons learned from Arabs, launched the Atlantic slave trade, financing the European and American industrial revolution. Thus, the birth of an economic system we practice today, capitalism. Europeans developed it from a pirating operation into a business, partly the European Jewish contribution to the trade, and supplied favored groups with arms and ammunition, contributing to the deaths of millions. Without the Europeans, there would have never been an Atlantic slave trade."


It is an absolute truth that where Whites have their civilizations regardless of colonies or slavery, they have profited and done well. The nations and areas where slavery occurred did not do well. The southern states were way poorer than the northerners who had no slaves, Central European countries have much better economies than those who had world empires such as France and England, and especially Spain and Portugal who are not even in the same league as former.

Yet wherever Blacks are there is out of control poverty and crime. This is an absolute truth that cannot ever be defeated by ignorant racist losers like you.

“Maybe that's wishful thinking as well.”

Oh poor you. Go to some Black racist blog and whine and complain about White people.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

Firstly. I don't believe anything about those secret societies. I'm just very well informed concerning them. So much so, in fact, that I can easily spin any theory you want out of them, and then go into history and find all the corroborating evidence I need. This is what people like Alex Jones and David Icke and Michael Tsarion and all the other names involved do. This is how they make their livings. You have simply bought into THAT. The only real truth concerning all those secret agendas, etc, is that NO ONE KNOWS WHATS REALLY GOING ON ANYWHERE. There are crumbs, you can follow the trails, and you can find numerous sources to corroborate almost any interpretation you can conceive of. That is the nature of the world. Beyond specific examples of particular individuals doing certain things at exact times it is all up in the air, a free for all. You're obviously unfamiliar with the Discordians. Either way, if they were so all powerful then the obvious response to your suggestion is that they engineered the PC society in order to facilitate ease of engineering a backlash against it, so they could then control the outcome of that conflict. They don't generally make peace, they make war. It's hard to control people who are peaceful and content, but it is so extremely easy to rile up a group who is filled with self-righteous anger. Ask Hitler. They'll fall for anything you can find a way to stroke their egos with. And man, being a slave to the ego, is an easy target.

Now, back to your ego. Your temporary 'civilization' is meaningless. To judge a race, one that predates it by thousands upon thousands of years, by its own self-fellating standards is an arrogant absurdity. All it takes is a few moments of genuine reflection and you will see this truth.

"they don’t amount to much besides dancing, cave paintings, and music"

And? Even if that were true...white culture doesn't amount to much besides killing, painting on animal skins and trees, and music. If you want to be that selective in what you'll admit as evidence, then I can do that as well.

"Where was a Black nation who created massive cities, conquered their neighbors, and came up with significant technological gains for their time?"

Have you ever heard of the Moors? Many Africans there, built a lot of great cities somewhere once...

Mali? It still exists. There was civilization there at least as early as 200 b.c. Ghana Empire, see the connection? Tichitt-walata, Mandé, Assante, Ghanawi...

Nubia...you mean Ta-Seti? The OLDEST? Which is what the Egyptians called them? Of COURSE Nubia had something to do with Kemet, the Nubian Menes founded it. The Nubians, who had astronomy 2,000 years before Stonehenge? Nabta Playa, google it. Hathor comes from their beliefs. No math? Ishango bone. Google it. Lebombo bone. Ethiopia traded? Hate to break it to you. EVERYONE traded to get where they are now. Without all of us there would be none of us. It's that simple. If you're so tough on black racists why aren't you so tough on white racists? Shouldn't you take care of your own house first, before cleaning up the home of another?

You're just not making any sense to me, really. I don't think you really know your history either. You just say shit and hope it sticks. Ethiopia traded. Yeah, and Greece didn't.

Either way, Lonnie Johnson probably made the most important contribution to human technological society thus far, and all from the money he made off of kids playing with his super-soakers.

Blah, blah, blah...

THIS IS MY NAME said...

Oh, and I just now looked at the other posts, here and at other topics.... Ryan, I'm not a moron, nor am I every other black anon on this site. I haven't even posted for 4 or 5 days now, yet you are responding to the other anons as if they are me, and directing them to this thread, etc. You ought to get rid of your fake persona and admit that you have an axe to grind concerning black people, and that you really just don't like them. Aside from, maybe, your wife.

Here's a clue, my posts are the ones that people normally don't respond to. They just take tiny bits and try to make fun of them. I've also never spelled supremacist as supremist. Any post that has that in it is not mine.

And you can keep calling me an Afrocentrist and a racist if you want, it doesn't bother me, it just shows me how small you are.

I no longer have the time to address all of your claims, and the spin you apply to historical situations. You want to say whites freed the slaves? Fine. You're right. Blacks had NOTHING to do with it. Nat Turner didn't exist. And there is not such thing as the global jail economy. Dude, even other white people think they're slaves now, slaves to corporations, etc...Your increasingly selective views are becoming increasingly tedious to wade through. Blacks never took to the streets in protest, blacks never left the farms and killed whites in rebellion, none of that ever happened. So glad you know American history so well. It's obvious you're very emotional about this, what with all the name calling you do, etc.

I never said blacks were right in all they did. I don't know where you get this from...oh yeah, an obvious bias, and expectations stemming from other sources. It is simply fact that African and Arab slaves were not lynched or called animals the same way they were HERE! Which is why Africans and Arabs often get along a lot better than Africans and many Americans. Hence all the black Muslims. Not perfect, but different. Go to Africa, you'll see. Go to Egypt. I have Black African Egyptian friends. They are amazed by the type of racism in this country.

And you keep calling me racist! WTF? I never said anything about white people! I'm cool with white people, I JUST DON'T LIKE RACISTS. And Central and Eastern Europe has a great economy? WHAT? My EASTERN EUROPEAN GIRLFRIEND would beg to differ. Have you ever been to Hungary or Romania? Lots of abject poverty.

"The Rwanda genocide is much worse than the Trans Atlantic Slave trade"

What? Oh man... being conservative it is safe to say that at least 10 million people died as a result of the TA slave trade. There were revolts on lots of the ships, people were killed, people jumped overboard (like they did from the towers on 9/11), etc, etc, etc. In Rwanda? 800,000. Do you even know what happened after that? And why did the UN withdraw? Why did the US sit by and do nothing, even suppressing the story, yet attack Iraq? What role did France play? Do you even know?

"Yes so it’s ok to face that as a historical fact, but when it comes to Whites buying the slaves they are the ones responsible? Then I could easily argue that all the Blacks who are selling and hooked on drugs are 100% responsible regardless if the CIA and or Mexican drug cartels are the ones bringing it in and making it readily available."

Yes, we are all responsible. That's my point. Your point, and it's becoming increasingly repetitive, almost like a mantra, is that black people simply are poor and fail at everything. Well, we wouldn't be poor if it weren't for colonization, would we? No, we'd be rich and free, living off of the land, minding our own business. Oh, I forgot, there is no merit in that. Humble living is nothing, only conquering and marauding is to be applauded. For that is High Culture. You know, my girlfriend is right. I'm wasting my time.

Ryan said...

“Firstly. I don't believe anything about those secret societies. I'm just very well informed concerning them. So much so, in fact, that I can easily spin any theory you want out of them, and then go into history and find all the corroborating evidence I need.”

You must not be able to connect the dots very well. I mean, regardless of Alex Jones and the other two it is very plain and simple to see the effects of what is happening with the interior governments control in the world. France and China have recently called for World Currency and Global Governance to deal with the problems that have been created by the same group that controls them. The federal reserve which is the prime instigator destroying the US economy is privately owned by individuals with no accountability to the US people or even to the puppets they’ve placed in political control. The CFR, and Trilateral Commission’s goal is global governance, and yet you see all those top politicians in Washington are members of one or both groups. They no longer call America a place or a distinct people, but one that is an idea, and that anyone can be American even if they don’t live there, or were born there. It is this atmosphere of internationalism that pervades US politics, and its economy with no loyalty to the sovereignty of the United States. They have done everything to bring the USA down, by destroying its wealth and power. This includes social engineering people to sit at home, shut up and take their changes. Political Correctness was born out of extreme liberalism. Liberalism is in effect change from what America was, to where the media, academia, and politicians decide where it’s going. As to every event such as 911 that the establishment uses to go forward with its changes, one can if they investigate find so many holes that it’s obvious that it was a staged event, but one where many people have died. Problem, reaction, solution. It’s easy to see where things are headed, or do you not keep up with what is going on?

It’s simple, we the people of the world are no longer needed, and their goal is to get rid of us. This would be as I stated 99% of the current human population. Keeping us fighting each other and divided, and in fear and ignorance is the best way to keep a people down so you can carry out such an evil plan.

“Either way, if they were so all powerful then the obvious response to your suggestion is that they engineered the PC society in order to facilitate ease of engineering a backlash against it, so they could then control the outcome of that conflict. They don't generally make peace, they make war.”

This is exactly what they have in mind once the world economy fails. Why do you think Political Correctness is so wicked a tool? They keep Whites in their place, while they destroy the economies, and then when PC has no more meaning because we are just all trying to survive, we have so many aliens in our midst that riots and race wars will ensue.

Ryan said...

“Now, back to your ego. Your temporary 'civilization' is meaningless. To judge a race, one that predates it by thousands upon thousands of years, by its own self-fellating standards is an arrogant absurdity. All it takes is a few moments of genuine reflection and you will see this truth.”


Temporary what? It’s not my civilization, it’s the one I live in. Judging what race that predates whom? The out of Africa theory is being attacked with new evidence on a constant basis, and I don’t believe the out of Africa theory for one minute. Standards by whom? This white civilization? I’m not sure what you could possibly judge change by if you just throw out everything written and recorded, if anything I think that is more of a childish backlash to something you don’t understand or seemingly can’t comprehend.

“And? Even if that were true...white culture doesn't amount to much besides killing, painting on animal skins and trees, and music. If you want to be that selective in what you'll admit as evidence, then I can do that as well.”

Killing huh? So there was no murder before Whites came to Sub Saharan Africa? Holy man, are you smoking that CIA crack? Blacks are the most violent murderous people on the planet. Do you not understand how bad it is? Look at the official crime stats based on race from the Department of Justice. A department that is currently run by a mixed race Black man, and no he isn’t Obama. All Black nations are like this. Life in Africa was horrible before Whites came, and had remained horrible after.

Basically it’s like this. For humanity to evolve from their ancient origins, they must look to overcome problems that they face on a daily basis. This would include better food production and access to that food year round, communication and knowledge, warfare to defend and if need be conquer, medicine and healing, shelter and warmth, happiness and a sense of well being. These are standards that can be placed upon all of humanity. So where and who has progressed the most? Oh but singing and dancing, and while yes murdering other tribes on a constant basis, while overall you people get nowhere in ten thousand years really is progress.


“Have you ever heard of the Moors? Many Africans there, built a lot of great cities somewhere once...”


The moors were not Black, but at best a people with a little Black in them, and possibly with a few Black slaves, or with even some free ones.

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/who-the-moors-really-were/

“Mali? It still exists. There was civilization there at least as early as 200 b.c. Ghana Empire, see the connection? Tichitt-walata, Mandé, Assante, Ghanawi...”


Can’t understand anything I say huh? I mean civilizations that progressed well on their own without White influence. You will not find it I’m sorry. Mali was Muslim, and that is where the University of Sankore was created. As for the others they were tribal groupings held together by a king or chieftain. Their progress was hideously behind by the time Europeans met them. They used spears, and lived in huts, no writing, no math, enough said. The modern state of Mali has no connection to the Empire of Mali, it’s on Wikipedia. Yes I also find it ironic that one of the prime sources of information we all use off the internet is also one of the most controlled.

Ryan said...

“The Ancient Ghanaian Empire of Ouagadougou is believed by many to have been a continuation of the cultural complex at Tichitt-walata attributed to Mandé people known as the Soninke. However in fact the ancient Empire was founded by the Assante People.”

This from Wikipedia, shows that there is no connection between Ghana and the settlements that were there even before your date of 200 BC. Who built them? Maybe they were made by a people who started bettering themselves, but regardless they fell to ruin. The actual Ghana Empire was late 8th AD century to sometime in the 11th.

“Nubia...you mean Ta-Seti? The OLDEST? Which is what the Egyptians called them? Of COURSE Nubia had something to do with Kemet, the Nubian Menes founded it. The Nubians, who had astronomy 2,000 years before Stonehenge? Nabta Playa, google it. Hathor comes from their beliefs.”

Um go to http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/the-faces-of-ancient-egypt/

She only gives unbiased views, and even goes after people who claim it was an all Nordic civilization. Go read the links I’ve sent you or I’m just wasting my time like trying to talk to Desiree. I do with yours, and I look up the things you send me. The thing is that you’ve stated before that you don’t like going to pro white websites, well in all actuality if you want to find the truth you need to gather up facts and evidence even from things you might not like, and from there form a coherent picture of what is going on. If you only go to Politically Correct and Afrocentrict websites you’re going to be horribly vulnerable to any kind of refutation of your arguments. A critical thinker can take all sides to come up with the answers. Blindly following what some people say, and only staying in that same philosophy as them is not thinking for yourself.

As for Nabta Playa: “Analysis of human remains suggests that these people migrated from sub-Saharan Africa.” Which is from Wikipedia too. Unfortunately I can’t be fooled again about such things. Egypt was founded and has always been majority Caucasian. Since we know that Caucasians came from Asia to North Africa around 20 thousand years ago, this Nabta Playa which was just south of Egypt might very well come from them too, and then Blacks migrated there and eventually took it over. There is no pottery, or artwork listed on Wikipedia, just some stone constructions which don’t tell anything at all about the people who lived there or created it. Concerning this place, I wouldn’t claim it was from anyone group or race without further evidence.

Ryan said...

“No math? Ishango bone. Google it. Lebombo bone. Ethiopia traded? Hate to break it to you. EVERYONE traded to get where they are now. Without all of us there would be none of us. It's that simple. If you're so tough on black racists why aren't you so tough on white racists? Shouldn't you take care of your own house first, before cleaning up the home of another?”


“A tally (or tally stick) was an ancient memory aid device to record and document numbers, quantities, or even messages. Tally sticks first appear as notches carved on animal bones, in the Upper Paleolithic. A notable example is the Ishango Bone”

From Wikipedia. These two bones in all of Black Africa? Look, it would be great if Blacks were just the same as Whites in that they also advanced themselves well, but these two bones that could be as old as 20 thousand years really don’t offer much. I believe that there were older advanced civilizations in human history, and for all we know they either lived there, or traded with the people who lived in that area at the time. Who or what happened is anyone’s guess at this point. But I certainly wouldn’t use two Bones as proof of Sub Saharan mathematics that date from that far back. And even if they were from the last thousand years, they still represent something that 99.99999 percent of Sub Saharan Blacks in the last 5000 years never used or were aware of.

“You're just not making any sense to me, really. I don't think you really know your history either. You just say shit and hope it sticks. Ethiopia traded. Yeah, and Greece didn't.”


No you obviously just don’t understand what I mean. But in that case it certainly doesn’t mean that I don’t know my history.

“Either way, Lonnie Johnson probably made the most important contribution to human technological society thus far, and all from the money he made off of kids playing with his super-soakers.”


Yup that’s a great achievement, you should frame his picture on your wall to make you all warm, and cuddly in your Blackness.

Blah, blah, blah...

We’ll Blah, Blah, Blah back. You don’t seem to understand where I or a lot of White people are coming from. If problems among Blacks were really all evidently from White racism then you most likely wouldn’t even see websites like this. Many Whites would be willing to help and definitely would sympathize. Yet when they like I have, looked into the sources of Black problems we find they are for the most part Black created problems that you have placed on yourselves. Understand this, we want you to achieve great things, we want you to live good crime free lives, we want you to be highly intelligent and to be true equals among us. But this is just not the case, and instead wherever Blacks live in large congregations they create problems. Black crime is just way out of control, so in the past when Whites were less PC they treated them harshly so that they understood who’s in charge. When that was taken away, and Blacks felt free to do whatever they want, then they just lost control. This is what happened since the 60s civil rights movement.

All we as Whites, and I know you Blacks want it too, is to just get along as equals and not to have racial strife and problems. I deal with this on a daily basis, better than you know, and certainly better than any other Whites who come here. I live in the racial divide, and I go through every day attempting to find love and harmony between us.

Ryan said...

“Oh, and I just now looked at the other posts, here and at other topics.... Ryan, I'm not a moron, nor am I every other black anon on this site. I haven't even posted for 4 or 5 days now, yet you are responding to the other anons as if they are me, and directing them to this thread, etc. You ought to get rid of your fake persona and admit that you have an axe to grind concerning black people, and that you really just don't like them. Aside from, maybe, your wife.”

You see why you need a name now? Otherwise we run into problems like this, and I also treated all other anons here as you because how can I tell the difference unless they say something blatant to make it obvious it’s not you. The only axe I have to grind is against lies and deceit. You should understand now that the reason for this site is to show the lies and deceit about Black people. If anyone has an axe to grind it’s some of the posters who really go out of their way denouncing Blacks as subhuman and animals.

You also don’t get it that these websites are backlashes against racism towards Whites from minorities and even Liberal Whites themselves. We are tired of the hatred and discrimination, and now like how Slavery was, discrimination against Whites is actual government policy. I endured a lot of crap in school from East Indians yes who were very racist. This doesn’t mean I hate them, but parts of their culture in that they lie and cheat only to make an easy buck at others expense does have me unhappy about them. This on top of them being so racist that anyone would have a difficult time being around them.


“And you can keep calling me an Afrocentrist and a racist if you want, it doesn't bother me, it just shows me how small you are.”


Yes you’ve suffered some of my anger. But where do you think this stems from? Think about what you said and the link to that Black guy apologizing only adds to it. So yes you could say I’ve gone to war against you.

“I no longer have the time to address all of your claims, and the spin you apply to historical situations. You want to say whites freed the slaves? Fine. You're right. Blacks had NOTHING to do with it.”

Heh, see I’m totally familiar with the way you think, and it’s nothing new to me. Ok stop taking things beyond what I’ve said. If I don’t say it, I don’t mean it. Where did I say Blacks had nothing to do with it? They did, but way less than you would have people think. I say Whites stopped slavery, yet you’d say otherwise. They had something to do with it, just way less than your spin doctoring would have us believe.

“Blacks never took to the streets in protest, blacks never left the farms and killed whites in rebellion, none of that ever happened.”

You do know slaves revolted from time to time right? With the abolitionists and other Blacks who supported emancipation, it only seems right that more revolts would occur around the same time.

Ryan said...

“It is simply fact that African and Arab slaves were not lynched or called animals the same way they were HERE! Which is why Africans and Arabs often get along a lot better than Africans and many Americans. Hence all the black Muslims. Not perfect, but different. Go to Africa, you'll see. Go to Egypt. I have Black African Egyptian friends. They are amazed by the type of racism in this country.”


No they were castrated and not allowed to breed, and they also died in the millions along the trails through the desert, by being whipped and beaten to death. I have had Muslim friends, and a Black African from the Sudan who came here fleeing Muslim persecution. The horror stories he told me were enough to make anyone dislike Islam. My Muslim friends told me how Blacks are called Ibd, meaning slave, and even when they convert to Islam they are called an Ibd.

It is in fact Christianity that is flourishing in Africa at the moment, not Islam. The reason for this is that Blacks are now seeing how Islam treats them and they want to get away from it. We also have friends from Nigeria who are former Muslims, and who saw how bad Islam was and converted to Christianity. There is even a video of Muslim Imams who are talking about losing Africa to Christianity on YouTube.

This recent Muslim adulation from American Blacks is simply another form of racism against White people in that they are trying to find identity that takes them away from being an American to some group that Europeans had problems with in the past. Islam has been hell on Blacks, and it still is. It’s apparent that your Muslim friends are very, very disillusioned.

Watch this video, I know I’ve linked it to you before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT_RSDeAYjI

A quote from the intro of the video from CamaroonStar:

“In the 1800s alone, 1.2 milion of our people were enslaved and transported across the Sahara to The Middle east, 450,000 across the Red Sea, 442,000 from East Afrikan coastal area and 8 million died before reaching the markets.


The men were castrated. The women were sex slaves.


Est 11 million across Atlantic 5% ended up in the U.S.A.


The Trans-sahara trade could be over 140 million people. (this is Not the trans-atlantic slave trade)”

Sorry I meant the hundreds of thousands to the USA. 5% of 11 million is 550 000 people. Also Egyptians are quite racist against Blacks. To call them Black is a real personal insult. They also greatly object to anyone thinking ancient Egypt was Black. They say that Blacks have no history of their own so they are trying to take from them. Again, go through Mathilda’s blog to get real insight into the opposite side of Afrocentrism in a non-racist unbiased way.

“And you keep calling me racist! WTF? I never said anything about white people! I'm cool with white people, I JUST DON'T LIKE RACISTS.”

The fact that you are unknowingly, or knowingly defending lies and propaganda that amounts to a large heap of racism towards Whites tells me otherwise. You are racist, plain and simple.

“And Central and Eastern Europe has a great economy? WHAT? My EASTERN EUROPEAN GIRLFRIEND would beg to differ. Have you ever been to Hungary or Romania? Lots of abject poverty.”

You take Eastern from Central? That the crack again? I said Central, meaning Austria, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, and possibly included in that is the Netherlands, Luxemburg, and Belgium. But the last three might be more lumped in with Western Europe, rather than Central.

Ryan said...

“What? Oh man... being conservative it is safe to say that at least 10 million people died as a result of the TA slave trade. There were revolts on lots of the ships, people were killed, people jumped overboard (like they did from the towers on 9/11), etc, etc, etc.”

Considering that Blacks did not keep records of all the so called millions of deaths getting them over the Atlantic, where is your proof. Otherwise all you’re doing is quoting racist Black Nationalists. I don’t doubt it was brutal at times, and many were lost, but as far as I know, you’re overstating it here.

“In Rwanda? 800,000. Do you even know what happened after that? And why did the UN withdraw? Why did the US sit by and do nothing, even suppressing the story, yet attack Iraq? What role did France play? Do you even know?”


You know Rwanda was after Iraq right? So many Blacks complain about White involvement in Africa and want them out, yet when there are problems they want them right back in? Come on, they can deal with their own problems as far as I care. But other than that, most likely there was a nefarious scheme going on with the lack of a response to the genocide. I have no problem believing that.

“Yes, we are all responsible. That's my point. Your point, and it's becoming increasingly repetitive, almost like a mantra, is that black people simply are poor and fail at everything.”

If you have noticed, I am replying to each and every one of your points. To me you are saying Blacks are innocent angels until the White man came along and ruined paradise. I’ve already said either in this entry or the last one that Blacks have not been helped in their already downtrodden state. All the extra help in the billions of dollars by the US has not helped get Blacks on their feet, in fact it has only made the situation worse. Blacks need to stand up and earn everything themselves, and not rely on section 8 housing, affirmative action, and preferential treatment in education, and the job place. It should come down to and only to individual talent that gets people where they are, not by race.

Then when it comes to Black nations such as in the Caribbean and in Africa, the IMF is robbing them blind. The International Monetary Fund, which is a part of the United Nations is killing these nations that were already poor, and inviting corruption among Black leaders.

“Well, we wouldn't be poor if it weren't for colonization, would we? No, we'd be rich and free, living off of the land, minding our own business. Oh, I forgot, there is no merit in that. Humble living is nothing, only conquering and marauding is to be applauded. For that is High Culture. You know, my girlfriend is right. I'm wasting my time.”

Yup and that was exactly what I was saying . . . Here’s a hint, toss out the crack. If anything I want peace and harmony, but it cannot be done for many reasons, one of them is hating Whites and attributing everything bad that’s happened to Black people to Whites, so that they don’t take responsibility for themselves.

Ryan said...

Also THIS IS MY NAME:

The usual development conversation about determinants of per capita income revolves around modern choices of institutions or economic policies. But what if history is the main determinant of development today?

A paper by Diego Comin, Erick Gong, and myself was just published in the American Economic Journal: Macroeconomics. We collected crude but informative data on the state of technology in various parts of the world in 1000 BC, 0 AD, and 1500 AD.

1500 AD technology is a particularly powerful predictor of per capita income today. 78 percent of the difference in income today between sub-Saharan Africa and Western Europe is explained by technology differences that already existed in 1500 AD – even BEFORE the slave trade and colonialism.

http://aidwatchers.com/2010/07/was-the-poverty-of-africa-determined-in-1000-bc/

THIS IS MY NAME said...

OK. First. Lonnie Johnson. I wasn't talking about the super-soaker. I was talking about his engine that converts heat into electricity. Google. And his thin film battery. Again. Google.

And that Mathilda blog, I know about it (I thought I sent you to it earlier and said the same thing about reading the comments, maybe I deleted that portion of my post or simply never got around to posting it, whatever), and I simply don't think she has the full picture. She is quite OBVIOUSLY biased. Many EGYPTIANS themselves don't agree with her. She sites (incorrectly at times) Lefkowitz. Lefkowitz is supported and promoted HEAVILY by the 'liberal media' (jew-run for all you Aryans) and the ADL itself obtained a lawyer for her in a libel case brought up by one Dr. Martin. So where are those clearly delineated lines again? Is Lefkowitz just a pawn of the ADL and the 'jew-run' media? It would appear so.

You don't believe the Out Of Africa theory, so that means you are at odds with the majority of current biologists, historians and anthropologists, etc. And what evidence do you cite? "The thinker thinks and the prover proves." Robert Anton Wilson. Look it up. You believe in far more ancient civilizations than the ones we are aware of, presumably Atlantis and Mu, etc, or perhaps Tsarions Irish Origins speculation. I see no difference between these wild claims and the wild claims of many Afro-centrists! You CAN'T believe in Out Of Africa. Admit it. You will perpetually search for even the most superficial evidence that it is not true. Yet the cradle of known civilization still rocks in Africa.

I don't believe that Menes looks very European at all. The very first picture she uses for the Old Kingdom is Menes and he looks AFRICAN. All in all though, what I believe is that Egyptians were mixed. I've said this before yet you still call me an Afrocentric. Go figure. I do believe that there were many black Africans among the first Egyptians but I believe there were others as well. I think Egypt was among the first mixed societies. Many actually black Egyptians, once they attained high status, began being depicted as having red skin. This is fact. Blacks weren't the only ones. 'Whites' as well. They became red. It was probably religious custom at the time, or related to something like a racial ideal, or something else we will never actually know, being that the culture is dead and lost.

All these terms, like caucasian, negro, etc, they were all invented by white people and are pretty much meaningless to most other people. The Aryan invasion nonsense is pre-nazi propaganda created by these same secret societies to spread their own false, conflicting and corrupting doctrines. Look up the Thule society. Black Sun. Order of the New Templars. Theosophical Society. Blavatsky. These are where these stupid ideas came from. They receive only scant support because the evidence itself is very scant and in fact dominated by the evidence of the current theory. A further source of confusion is tampering by those of the christian persuasion who simply would not allow anything that predated the bible to gain any ascendancy. They brainwashed many a group and the detritus of that implosion is still clogging up the soul of humanity.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

Math. Much of the math in current use is sourced in the middle east. Much of that is sourced in North Africa. Much of that is sourced in Africa. None of it is as absolute as scientists would have you believe. Are you familiar with the normalization process that so many calculations have to go through in order to make sense? Are you aware of what we have probably been over-looking that has been alive in ancient cultures for aeons? Zero-point, tetrahedral geometry of the vacuum, etc? None of it is absolute if it doesn't account for infinity. Look up the source of boolean algebra, binary computing...the TRUE source.

On this subject, watch these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXRvwk12atw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sAXdQP1RnM&feature=related

Yeah, African Fractal geometry.

You see, it's not only about the specific type of external manifestations of humanity, but internal organizations as well. YOu know what would be good reading for you? The Faber book of Utopias. You said earlier that I don't read any white people aside from Basil Davidson or something to that effect. Actually, I read a lot of white people. I read a lot of everything.

"Killing huh? So there was no murder before Whites came to Sub Saharan Africa?"

You missed the point. You over-simplified, I over simplified in turn.

"Holy man, are you smoking that CIA crack? Blacks are the most violent murderous people on the planet."

LOL! Yeah. Right. Have you ever taken it upon yourself to do a body count?

WWI: 15,000,000
Russian Civil War: 9,000,000
Stalin: 20,000,000
WW2: 55,000,000
German Expulsions after WW2: 2,100,000
American Civil War: 1,030,000
Native American Genocide: 100,000,000 (that's not a typo)
Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade: At least 10,000,000
Vietnam: 1,200,00 (at the very least)
American Revolution: between 40,000 to 100,000
Iraq War: 106,035 CIVILIAN deaths
Iran/Iraq: 850,000

Total: 214,386,035

And that's not even the half of it, I'm not even counting Bosnia, etc, or most of the other wars caused by people you call 'caucasians'.

Show me ONE comparable African-generated death toll for any conflict. You can't. I have no idea what you based that absurd claim on but that ought to put it to rest.

Compare also with the apprx. 833,000 murders that have taken place in the US since 1960. Even if we say half of them were committed by blacks, which they by no means were, by any stretch of the imagination, then even if we say that we still only have about 416,000 murders. And that's a huge exaggeration. So we'll throw in Rwanda and the Congo and Nigeria and quite liberally round up to 4,000,000. So 4,416,000 versus 214,386,035. I still don't see where in the hell you get your ideas from, but they obviously need a little bit of adjustment. Even if we consider that those deaths which blacks are responsible for occurred within this century (and never mind the 'whys' behind those three African wars), still, Stalin alone greatly trumps them. Hell, lets even throw in the, what, 3,000 or so farmer murder in South Africa. 4,219,000. Nope. Still, not even close.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

"Life in Africa was horrible before Whites came, and had remained horrible after."

That's equally as absurd as the above comment. I don't even care to spend time to debunk it. Life is hard everywhere. It gets a bit harder when invaders come and divide your land, install puppet dictators by force and tell you that you are all animals and less intelligent than them and then systematically destroy your culture. Ask a Native American. Ask an Iraqi. It reaches absurd proportions when the descendants of those invaders seem to genuinely think that not only did it not quite happen that way, but that none of your problems are related to that and that you should just forgive and forget because now a new school of would-be invaders is gearing up to do the same thing to them.

99%, huh? It sucks to say this but that doesn't seem like a bad idea at times. In fact, sometimes I find that "I'm prayin for rain, I'm praying for tidal waves, I wanna see the ground give way..."

I like how you can blame Americans' docility and inactivity and rampant mindless and shallow consumerism on a shadowy group of conspirators, but if a black person then says the FBI doesn't like them and flooded the streets with drugs then they're insane. If a black person says basically the same thing but, since their communities are in far more immediate danger, casts it in the light of race then all of a sudden, yet paradoxically simultaneously, that argument makes no sense.


Anyway, look at that death toll again, check out this site: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/atrox.htm

A few other sites you ought to check out:

http://hindufocus.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/what-great-indians-thought-about-the-aryan-invasion-theory/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8489882/Myth-of-Aryan-Invasion-in-India-David-Frawley

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm

http://www.salagram.net/GP-Aryaninvasiondupe.html

http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/Ancient-Africa/index.html


I'm interested in finding our harmonies as well, like George Carlin, but it's a simple fact that all this spin and avoidance and rampant mis-characterization of entire races and lack of genuine application of historical perspective, and indeed the very nature of the framing of these kinds of arguments and discussions is imply going to perpetually keep us apart. We don't need to posit a secret conspiracy to understand why human beings are like this. What we need to do is grow beyond it. Attempting to vilify a race is not going to help when it is the mentality that is responsible. In all races. See Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, etc.

Well, you have evidenced some strong and entirely irrational biases that are wholly at odds with the facts, and that indicates that none of the above might have any effect on you at all. Fuck it man, more power to you. I don't really care. I've probably just wasted 20 minutes of my life putting this together.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlduyEe9DsI&feature=related

It's shit like this that makes it hard to forget about. This is why the issue truly needs to be addressed, to out all of the skeletons.

Anonymous said...

"All the extra help in the billions of dollars by the US has not helped get Blacks on their feet, in fact it has only made the situation worse. Blacks need to stand up and earn everything themselves, and not rely on section 8 housing, affirmative action, and preferential treatment in education, and the job place."

Whites have needed other people's things too. I hate how people like you act like Whites have never asked or needed anything from anyone. Do you realize that we get oil from other countries? Do you realize that we had to make a deal with Saudi Arabia in order for them to keep giving us our oil. They are the number one oil giving country for the USA. Do you realize that whites had to ask for the land America obtained?

Do you realize that Americans had to take things from the Indians in order to support themselves? They also had to take things from Africa. Now please take your ridiculous rants else where about how whites are so superior.

Anonymous said...

Ryan,

I find it so hilarious that you decide to target everyone who targeted you once they've moved on to recent discussions on this blog. It almost seems as if you planned to do so....

This gives me the impression that you are the true coward here.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

Wow, there was even more.

"You also don’t get it that these websites are backlashes against racism towards Whites from minorities"

And you don't get that the 'racism' towards whites from minorities is a backlash against racism from whites, which has been going on for much longer, and this is why the backlash is more severe.

"We are tired of the hatred and discrimination"

So are we.

"and now like how Slavery was, discrimination against Whites is actual government policy"

Hardly the same. Simply visit any African American ghetto. You'll see just how far reaching those 'racist' policies are. And by the way, those 'racist' policies you mention HAD to be introduced to keep all the racist whites that still existed from, well, being racist. Nevertheless, I'm not a beneficiary of any such policy, and I don't know one single person who is. To me it just seems like another bogeyman to fear.

"I endured a lot of crap in school from East Indians yes who were very racist"

Welcome to the club.

"This doesn’t mean I hate them, but parts of their culture in that they lie and cheat only to make an easy buck at others expense does have me unhappy about them. This on top of them being so racist that anyone would have a difficult time being around them."

Who are you talking about exactly? (It's a rhetorical question, because you can say that about every single race. And I'm pretty cool with a few East Indians, but yeah, everyone is 'racist'.)

"Think about what you said and the link to that Black guy apologizing only adds to it"

You said, and still say, that wherever black people turn up there is poverty and violence, like it's endemic and not related to anything else. That kind of shit is annoying as hell.

"They enforced it through their superior military power, and ended up officially ending slavery world wide by the end of the century.

If not for those Europeans who ended it, slavery would be as common worldwide today as it was several centuries ago."

"Where did I say Blacks had nothing to do with it? "

Your attitude implies it and your examples detract from the reality of the situation. You don't need to say it when you neglect to mention it. Be balanced or don't mention it. That way we can avoid these little problems.

"They had something to do with it, just way less than your spin doctoring would have us believe."

No. They actually had more to do with it than you think. White people and black people worked together. But we still would have freed ourselves.

"You do know slaves revolted from time to time right?"

That is exactly what I'm talking about. That's why I mentioned Nat Turner. I was being sarcastic when I said 'none of that ever happened.' I thought that was clear.

"No they were castrated..."

Yeah. I know. But it doesn't change the fact that true practitioners of Islam, as a religion of love, don't buy into all that shit. I lived with an Egyptian man, not black, for half a year, we ate in the same kitchen, etc and so forth, and he was always very kind, he cooked me meals and watched out for me, taught me some boxing skills, etc. He was a big fan of Muhammad Ali, and he was a boxer in Egypt. His friend was a giant black Egyptian, very intelligent man, and they told me of their own experiences. I confronted him about what I had heard before and he said sure, stupid people lived everywhere, but it is not them who matter. He also worked security at night is a real seedy part of town and everyone was always cool with him, all the street dudes, etc. He got more racism from white people and, strangely, Mexicans than anyone else. His friend, the big guy, was amazed at how racist this country was. He said it was far worse than Egypt. This was his experience.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

"It is in fact Christianity that is flourishing in Africa at the moment, not Islam."

It's about 46%, while Islam is 43%, but I think both groups are playing themselves up a bit as this leaves only 1% other. Which is ridiculous. Even more likely I think is many Africans (of those polled, keep that in mind) simply SAY they are christian, Muslim, etc, while keeping what remains of their ancient beliefs intact. Either way, Islam is growing much faster than Christianity, for better or for worse...and no, I'm not Muslim. Or Christian. Or atheist.

"This recent Muslim adulation from American Blacks is simply another form of racism against White people in that they are trying to find identity that takes them away from being an American to some group that Europeans had problems with in the past."

Not so much. There are still many Muslims in Africa. I think it's a little more related to that than some racial grudge.

"Islam has been hell on Blacks, and it still is. It’s apparent that your Muslim friends are very, very disillusioned."

Islam has been both heaven and hell on lots of people, women included. More than Islam itself, however, it was the men who ran those countries. Which is why people keep their faith through it all. And I'm assuming you mean they are not yet disillusioned. Not so. Different people have different experiences. When Malcolm X went to Mecca he returned entirely free from the burden of racism and was promptly killed by cooperation between the NOI and COINTELPRO (complete with code words, "get your hand out of my pocket...") He was astonished that he was treated as a human being and not looked at as a nigger, that he was sleeping in the same room as blond haired blue eyed people and no one was making a big fuss or treating him like an animal. He saw the true potential fro humanity to be brothers in Islam. Different experiences. Very little in the way of absolutes, aside from absolute infinity.

And yes, many Africans have been enslaved. You know this and yet you still wonder why anger follows us. Interesting. But the last two thousand years is really just the last two thousand years. It's a pretty short time period, considering. And things can change in the blink of an eye. Ask the ghosts of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

"Also Egyptians are quite racist against Blacks. To call them Black is a real personal insult. They also greatly object to anyone thinking ancient Egypt was Black."

Even more reason to believe King Tut's FULL DNA profile revealed something the Egyptian government doesn't want coming out. And it's probably NOT that he was from Western Europe...

And Mathilda's blog is still a bit biased. You can't favorably cite and quote Mary Lefkowitz as a hero and be entirely unbiased.

"The fact that you are unknowingly, or knowingly defending lies and propaganda that amounts to a large heap of racism towards Whites tells me otherwise. You are racist, plain and simple."

Well, the fact that you are unknowingly, or knowingly defending lies and propaganda that amounts to a large heap of racism towards Africans tells me otherwise. You are racist, plain and simple. Yet when I say it, you get all offended and mention your black wife, etc. Oh well. I'm not racist. It's simple. I haven't said anything anti-white. I'm coo with white people in general. I just really don't care fro racist white people, or white people who don't think they're racist and yet say some pretty racist shit and expect me, or anyone, to just sit there and listen to it like they're right and they're just trying to help me out or something. It's annoying.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

Central Europe. "According to the majority of sources the region includes:

Austria
Czech Republic
Germany
Hungary
Liechtenstein
Poland
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland

Some sources also add parts of neighbouring countries (for historical, geographical and cultural reasons):

Croatia (except Istria and Dalmatia, frequently the entire country)
Romania (Transylvania and Bukovina, occasionally the entire country)"

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe


Etc. I don't smoke crack. That's racist.

LOL.

"Considering that Blacks did not keep records of all the so called millions of deaths getting them over the Atlantic, where is your proof. Otherwise all you’re doing is quoting racist Black Nationalists. I don’t doubt it was brutal at times, and many were lost, but as far as I know, you’re overstating it here."

Actually, in the interest of keeping things relatively civil I was greatly UNDERSTATING what I think it may have been. The most realistic estimate is between 15-20 million. Source:


"Looking at all the scholarship on the subject, it looks like, at the very least, 35% of those enslaved in Africa died before they were ever put to work in America. On the other hand, at least 20% of them survived. Between these extreme possibilities (35-80%), the most likely mortality rate is 62%.

In terms of absolute numbers, the lowest possible (and only barely possible at that) death toll we can put on the trans-Atlantic slave trade is 6 million. If we assume the absolute worst, a death toll as high as 60 million is at the very edge of possibility; however, the likeliest number of deaths would fall somewhere from 15 to 20 million."

And:

"Keep in mind that these numbers only count the dead among the first generation of slaves brought from Africa. Subsequent generations would contribute additional premature or unnatural deaths."

-http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm

Yeah, not a racist black nationalist at all.

"You know Rwanda was after Iraq right?"

LOL. Yeah, the first go-round. But it wasn't after "Shock and Awe"! You just enjoy assuming I'm an idiot, don't you?

"So many Blacks complain about White involvement in Africa and want them out, yet when there are problems they want them right back in?"

Do your research on the French. And I never said I want whites OUT. I want the corrupt business out, if anything. I want the profiteers and opportunists to leave.

"To me you are saying Blacks are innocent angels until the White man came along and ruined paradise."

Never once said anything of the sort! I know there are no angels. I'm just talking about what actually happened, and how it happened.

"All the extra help in the billions of dollars by the US has not helped get Blacks on their feet, in fact it has only made the situation worse."

If you really want to learn something about it read 'Dead Aid'. I don't agree with everything in it at all, but it at least comes off as being more knowledgeable than the shit I read here.

"Blacks need to stand up and earn everything themselves, and not rely on section 8 housing, affirmative action, and preferential treatment in education, and the job place."

Everyone 'needs' to do that. You act like there aren't a bunch of white people on section 8 as well. Besides, if that gets cut there will both white and black families on the streets doing even more 'crime' to survive.

THIS IS MY NAME said...

"It should come down to and only to individual talent that gets people where they are, not by race."

You act like white people weren't saying the exact opposite for hundreds of years though. The reason these things even came to pass is because of rampant racial discrimination and racial segregation. These things started well before any 'criminal underclass' began growing in the black community. There were no guarantees that just because a few laws were in place people would stop irrationally hating people of other races. They may be approaching obsolesence now, but it's only because they were enacted in the first place. Stop pretending that it was a policy that discrimnated AGAINST whites when it was really a policy aimed to prevent whites from discriminating AGAINST BLACKS and other races, etc.

"Then when it comes to Black nations such as in the Caribbean and in Africa, the IMF is robbing them blind. The International Monetary Fund, which is a part of the United Nations is killing these nations that were already poor, and inviting corruption among Black leaders."

That's exactly what I'm saying...

"Yup and that was exactly what I was saying . . . Here’s a hint, toss out the crack."

Is there an echo? Here's a hint, toss out the feds and the cops. They function like a paramilitary wing of the IMF. They only police the corruption they instigated.

"If anything I want peace and harmony, but it cannot be done for many reasons, one of them is hating Whites and attributing everything bad that’s happened to Black people to Whites, so that they don’t take responsibility for themselves."

SOME whites simply MUST take responsibility for the corruption they engineer and for the irrational hatred they STILL entertain. No one is saying that EVERYTHING bad that happened to black people is the sole responsibility of whites. But there are certain specific things that simply ARE attributable, in large part, to SOME white peoples biases and discriminatory policies.

And that last part from Aidwatchers, you should read all of the comments in that section as well.

Anon@12:03-

Well said! Thanks.

Ryan said...

“OK. First. Lonnie Johnson. I wasn't talking about the super-soaker. I was talking about his engine that converts heat into electricity. Google. And his thin film battery. Again. Google.”

This has to do with what? Ok, lets point out how much you want to argue just for the sake of it, even though it is completely off topic. Point 1.


“I simply don't think she has the full picture. She is quite OBVIOUSLY biased. Many EGYPTIANS themselves don't agree with her. She sites (incorrectly at times) Lefkowitz. Lefkowitz is supported and promoted HEAVILY by the 'liberal media' (jew-run for all you Aryans) and the ADL itself obtained a lawyer for her in a libel case brought up by one Dr. Martin. So where are those clearly delineated lines again? Is Lefkowitz just a pawn of the ADL and the 'jew-run' media? It would appear so.”

Going by what she says when it comes to evidence, you would have to take it up and argue with her. Once you do that and defeat her with convincing evidence then maybe I would take a second look. Other than that you are completely talking nonsense. I have read a massive amount off her blog, and she sites anthropological reports again, and again. If you want to challenge them then do so, other than that I will go with what the scientists have to say when it comes to your EVERYTHING was black idea.


“You don't believe the Out Of Africa theory, so that means you are at odds with the majority of current biologists, historians and anthropologists, etc. And what evidence do you cite?”

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/about-2/
http://forum.grasscity.com/science-nature/329982-challening-out-africa-theory.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/323657.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/37483.php

You have to understand that science is a dynamic ever changing pattern of theories and beliefs. What was dogma a year ago could be destroyed the next. Also this is another case of you trying every which way to get off topic. Point 2.

“You believe in far more ancient civilizations than the ones we are aware of, presumably Atlantis and Mu, etc, or perhaps Tsarions Irish Origins speculation. I see no difference between these wild claims and the wild claims of many Afro-centrists! You CAN'T believe in Out Of Africa. Admit it. You will perpetually search for even the most superficial evidence that it is not true. Yet the cradle of known civilization still rocks in Africa. “

Again strong evidence was shown above. And point 3 of trying to argue off topic when it comes to ancient civilizations. Also this shows how you run a mile with a tiny bit of information. When I wrote of ancient civs, I was referring to the giant temple off of Japan in the water, as well as ancient cities found off the coast of India. Where was my proof? Do I need it for everything? I hardly know about those places, yet underwater manmade structures attest to the proof that something was there. Go look them up yourself.

But you seem to be aware of all these conspiracy theories and Atlantis/Mu then why are you talking to me about it? That’s your bag not mine. We are talking about you saying Blacks are innocent angels and have done no wrong, forced themselves out of slavery and making successes of themselves wherever they go. All of which is incorrect of course, and anyone who posts here regularly including SBPDL would argue on my side over this. All you have is wishful thinking on yours. You have no evidence, facts, or proof to back you up, just links to websites with likeminded thinkers. Afrocentrists and Black Nationalists websites mean nothing more than wishful thinking, but when actually looking for the prime motivation behind such wishful thinking is innate hatred and racism towards Whites who they perceive as wronging them. That is why I call you an afrocentrist.

Ryan said...

“I don't believe that Menes looks very European at all. The very first picture she uses for the Old Kingdom is Menes and he looks AFRICAN.”

As to Menes: “So a bust of say, Menes (also known as Narmer), the very first Egyptian pharaoh (3100 BC), which was made during the 25th dynasty, (730 BC) will most certainly not be an accurate representation of what the king actually looked like. It is most likely that a sculptor working in the 25th dynasty would, if he was making a bust of an ancient pharaoh, make it look like the pharaoh of his own time. And he would probably not even know what the original king looked like, in any event.” -- http://www.white-history.com/egypt.htm

There was no picture lol, of any Egyptians. It’s all on either their walls, or in sculptures/monuments. And in the case of Menes, it was done around 2500 years after he died. This at a time when Nubia had a lot more influence over Egypt, as in the 80 year rule, and of a mixed race Pharaoh.

“All in all though, what I believe is that Egyptians were mixed. I've said this before yet you still call me an Afrocentric.”

Mixing came later, as studies of bones show, and that would be placed more in Upper Egypt (South) than Lower Egypt (North). I also call you one because I am angry with you, and you supported them by going on about how they bring peace to Blacks in another entry. Or if it wasn’t you, it doesn’t matter because you felt like posting Anon so I will just consider it you for the sake of being belligerent.

“All these terms, like caucasian, negro, etc, they were all invented by white people and are pretty much meaningless to most other people. The Aryan invasion nonsense is pre-nazi propaganda created by these same secret societies to spread their own false, conflicting and corrupting doctrines. Look up the Thule society. Black Sun. Order of the New Templars. Theosophical Society. Blavatsky. These are where these stupid ideas came from. They receive only scant support because the evidence itself is very scant and in fact dominated by the evidence of the current theory. A further source of confusion is tampering by those of the christian persuasion who simply would not allow anything that predated the bible to gain any ascendancy. They brainwashed many a group and the detritus of that implosion is still clogging up the soul of humanity.”

Ok you’re contradicting yourself here, no one looks up this much information unless they are interested it in. You don’t have a website where you debunk this information, yet you seem to know so much about things you don’t believe. I haven’t talked about any of these things, yet why do you continue to bring them into the conversation? Point 4, going off topic and trying to use things I’ve never brought up against me.

Ryan said...

“Much of the math in current use is sourced in the middle east. Much of that is sourced in North Africa. Much of that is sourced in Africa.

Yeah, African Fractal geometry.”

Ok so why other than this fractal business which is part of many African cultures the limit of their mathematical ability that we are just now taking advantage of? So what your saying is because cultures in Africa have a more natural understanding of fractals, then that means that all mathematics owes its origins to them? Wow . . . Although fractals may be interesting, there is nothing to support your belief other than Blacks—everything comes from them. Again showing your racism.

“LOL! Yeah. Right. Have you ever taken it upon yourself to do a body count? . . .


Total: 214,386,035


And that's not even the half of it, I'm not even counting Bosnia, etc, or most of the other wars caused by people you call 'caucasians'.


Show me ONE comparable African-generated death toll for any conflict. You can't. I have no idea what you based that absurd claim on but that ought to put it to rest.”


All those wars you list were caused by the monarchies/bankers/secret societies. They have been doing these things to gain more and more power over the world, and this is one of their tools. War = Profit. It doesn’t matter to the bankers who wins so long as they supply the money for the arms. Yes they are Caucasians, White Europeans for the most part actually, and if it were up to them you and I would already be dead. So what is your point? I was talking about non-wars, I was talking about murders, rapes, vandalism, and theft, which run rampant in Black areas wherever they are all over Africa, and anywhere in the west.

That is what this website is all about, showing the truth of Black misbehavior, something which you don’t seem to get. You do know in the 90s one out of two Black males between the age of what 24-32 where either in jail or on probation? That makes every one out of two Black males a criminal . . . But hey, that’s all lies and fabrication by the evil white government. Had Blacks the money, and power to day there would be terrific wars that would reach into the hundreds of millions in Africa and all over the world too, especially if they had a group of people behind the scenes urging them on and giving them loans to do it.

“Hell, lets even throw in the, what, 3,000 or so farmer murder in South Africa. 4,219,000. Nope. Still, not even close.“

So you do know of some horrific modern day things happening right as you’re reading this, yet you say nothing about it. At least I admitted where aids comes from, and at least I care about people being killed. It seems like you could give a shit about anyone else but Blacks.


“That's equally as absurd as the above comment. I don't even care to spend time to debunk it. Life is hard everywhere. It gets a bit harder when invaders come and divide your land, install puppet dictators by force and tell you that you are all animals and less intelligent than them and then systematically destroy your culture.”

Funny, because this is also the history of Europe over and over. It is also the history of every culture worldwide. Foreigners come in and war on you, you lose your people, and your land, and then you are no more. This happens everywhere, and it has nothing to do with just White people. You disgust me, to you it’s all Whites doing everything wrong again and again, regardless if you say you don’t mind Whites, what you are saying and thinking is racist.

Ryan said...

“Ask a Native American. Ask an Iraqi. It reaches absurd proportions when the descendants of those invaders seem to genuinely think that not only did it not quite happen that way, but that none of your problems are related to that and that you should just forgive and forget because now a new school of would-be invaders is gearing up to do the same thing to them.”

This is not at all realistic. You do know that Indians attacked and killed off their neighbors for as long as records were kept about them, which means that if you could actually think, you would realize that this was the way it has always been with them. They were a very violent people from the tip of North America, to the bottom of South America. Might makes right in their way of thinking, yet because White people took it all over, and the majority of them died then Whites are the evil perpetrators? If they had the same power they would have done the same thing. I’m not saying any of it is right or fair, but my god you seem to think only Whites do evil things, which again is your racism coming out even if you don’t realize it.

Ironically Iraqi ancestors were Babylonians, and Assyrians who made war and conquered people all over the Middle East. One could look at it like Karma. Besides, they are tan skinned Caucasians, so if you are referencing them, then that means you left out all the other cultures in Europe simply because you think less of them only because they are White. More racism on your part. This is why I call you an Afrocentrist . . .


“I like how you can blame Americans' docility and inactivity and rampant mindless and shallow consumerism on a shadowy group of conspirators, but if a black person then says the FBI doesn't like them and flooded the streets with drugs then they're insane. If a black person says basically the same thing but, since their communities are in far more immediate danger, casts it in the light of race then all of a sudden, yet paradoxically simultaneously, that argument makes no sense.”

What the fuck are you talking about? You don’t seem to understand me, or anything I’m saying, but make up shit to try to use against me. I have talked about the evils of the secret societies and what they’ve been doing, and no where have I said that they haven’t facilitated drugs into the US. It is also hurting everyone else, not just Blacks, but since you only focus on Blacks I guess in your mind that’s all that’s important.

I’ll look up the Aryan thing in my own way thank you. I haven’t even bothered to research it because it has never interested me.

Ryan said...

“I'm interested in finding our harmonies as well, like George Carlin, but it's a simple fact that all this spin and avoidance and rampant mis-characterization of entire races and lack of genuine application of historical perspective, and indeed the very nature of the framing of these kinds of arguments and discussions is imply going to perpetually keep us apart. We don't need to posit a secret conspiracy to understand why human beings are like this. What we need to do is grow beyond it. Attempting to vilify a race is not going to help when it is the mentality that is responsible. In all races. See Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, etc.”

Yeah so in that case lets not try to make Blacks the center of the Universe huh? It is evident for good or for bad, and I think mostly bad, that the interior government has conquered the world and within a few hundred years there will be no more human population left. If you really want to get along then stop going with things just because you want Blacks to have a larger chunk of the world. You shouldn’t want that, but look to yourself and your loved ones. Race doesn’t matter at all in reality, we are all souls inhabiting these vessels, and these are our experiences in life to grow and learn. Race only becomes an issue when people make it one, and unfortunately this site is a backlash to the racist PC world now hammering whites and their history down into nothing. Blacks feel wronged because the media and community leaders are continually telling them this. Films and TV shows like Roots fabricate and blow the Black slavery experience way out of proportion so that people who watch them get angry and sympathise or support the PC movement.

It’s funny that you don’t understand what the ultimate meaning of Political Correctness means. It means thought control, but you still don’t seem to understand that concept. Ok so let’s break it down. It is not so bad in the US at the moment, but soon it will be like this there. First off it was that no one could dispute anything at all, including how many died in the holocaust, and then it was about not being able to talk about sexual differences in performance or worth, then racial, and recently the UN passed a law about not talking bad about other religions. . . And now they are pushing in Europe that anyone who disputes climate change is not only demonized, but could lose their jobs and be charged with a crime. What is next? Not being able to talk badly about your government? Not being able to talk badly about your job? Not being able to talk badly about your food, or clothing, or even your kids, spouse or friends? How about your neighbor down the street? This can only lead to horribly bad things. You thought Political Correctness was a good thing because it made Whites not talk bad about other races or the destruction of their own countries? Did you think it was about making amends? No its none of those things, its all about a means to an end, and that end is thought control, mind control, fear, and pretending that your impending death is a good thing for everyone.

Ryan said...

“Well, you have evidenced some strong and entirely irrational biases that are wholly at odds with the facts, and that indicates that none of the above might have any effect on you at all. Fuck it man, more power to you. I don't really care. I've probably just wasted 20 minutes of my life putting this together.”

What facts? Every supporter in this site would except for the secret society thing support me 100%. If you have such a beef with racism, then why don’t you go after Blacks who attack and kill Whites? Why don’t you speak about the massive inequality going on in Western Nations when it comes to minorities? You seem to know a lot about a great many things, yet you are very selective with what you support, and you only support Black things. Saying I have an irrational basis is only saying it, and it means nothing but telling me what you’re thinking, It is not proof of anything. I have trashed every one of your arguments yet you keep coming back to duel with me. You aren’t winning anything here. I watch and go to most of your links, and think about what you say and have learned a few things. Yet you take nothing from what I am saying to you.

My overall wish is for everyone to work together and to get along. The establishment is a power we need to work together against, not fight among ourselves. I don’t see anyone as inherently inferior; I see histories that have done a great deal of things to advance human civilization. And what I see with a lot of Afrocentrists is that they not only claim that others history is theirs, but that other stole from them and OWE them everything. Do you think that is right or fair? If you’re going to make the case that all things go back to Blacks then I’d have to disagree with you. I’m sorry that Blacks haven’t contributed that much to the world, but that is not my doing, and it is not make me in the wrong to point it out as a truth. If you cannot handle that truth then that is for you to do soul searching, not me.

Ryan said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlduyEe9DsI&feature=related

It's shit like this that makes it hard to forget about. This is why the issue truly needs to be addressed, to out all of the skeletons.


Yes especially when stuff keeps getting made up and used to try to demonize White people. So what you’re showing me is that you believe ANYTHING shown to you when it comes to Blacks suffering, or how wicked Whites are. Ok my Black wife just called you an idiot, it must be true because she’s Black . . .

You talk about coming together, then stop buying into the propaganda! I love my wife’s family, and I loved going to Jamaica. I love to meet people from other countries, especially Africa where I can ask them millions of questions about what it’s like over there. I love people, and I love the world. I do not like propaganda that seeks to divide us, especially if it’s not true. This puts me in a difficult position when it comes to sites like these, well sites that don’t attempt to make a joke about it all. When I see reports coming out from the Department of Justice, and the FBI showing how high the discrepancy is in crime and race, then this is something that requires further looking into to find out why and what is going on. I realize that the USA is not controlled by the people, but the media goes out of its way to ignore the disproportional crime rate. Again it is to support the PC agenda, because if the media reported on everything including race, then West couldn’t be flooded with non-white immigrants. Sometimes propaganda is what they don’t show you see.

A few years back when researching online, and finding out how much hatred Blacks particularly in the US have for Whites just blew my mind. Here I was accepting and getting into other cultures, and then I find out that I can get murdered for being with a Black woman just because I’m white? I’m not even American and neither is she, yet whenever we go south of the border I have to be on the lookout for Black racists? Whites could hardly care about us being together, and if they do, they don’t make comments, and they certainly wouldn’t threaten my life. It probably helps that I’ve being trained in martial arts, and that I’m 6’2, 200 LBS and act like nothing can get to me. But that could change if I visit her aunt and cousins in New York. Even her cousin there has said that she shouldn’t be with me because I’m White. No one in my family has ever said anything bad about us; in fact they have gone out of their way to support us being together.

To the Anon: “Whites have needed other people's things too. I hate how people like you act like Whites have never asked or needed anything from anyone.”


This has nothing to do with what I’ve said. You obviously skimmed it or don’t understand my point. I was talking about how Blacks have been hurt, not helped, but hey you’re either some White Libtard, or a Black Nationalist, or god forbid THIS IS MY NAME trying to pose as a supporter.


“Do you realize that we get oil from other countries? Do you realize that we had to make a deal with Saudi Arabia in order for them to keep giving us our oil. They are the number one oil giving country for the USA. Do you realize that whites had to ask for the land America obtained?”


Again untrue, Canada is America’s single largest supplier of Oil. Other nations like Saudi Arabia, which is Caucasian, still send a lot of oil over, but they are no longer the US top supplier. I saw the numbers on Oil exporters, and as of 2007 Canada was number one.

Ryan said...

“Do you realize that Americans had to take things from the Indians in order to support themselves? They also had to take things from Africa. Now please take your ridiculous rants else where about how whites are so superior.”


Again more racism by some other idiot. Never have I said Whites are superior. You’re just a racist who sees who they think is a White person and attack them. No sorry, take your ridiculous racist rants elsewhere. THIS IS MY NAME and I are having a discussion, and you weren’t invited.


“Anonymous said... This gives me the impression that you are the true coward here.”


Then you have the wrong impression. THIS IS MY NAME was talking to me, so should I just ignore him then because that would make me look better? Stop looking for unfounded excuses. My work can keep me very busy and I sometimes can’t get back here for days.

“And you don't get that the 'racism' towards whites from minorities is a backlash against racism from whites, which has been going on for much longer, and this is why the backlash is more severe.”


What racism is there going on today? All of it is directed towards Whites. If you can’t see that, especially after going through this website then they’ve truly gotten to you. Low income Blacks get free housing, free education, and Affirmative Action, as well as getting their way all the time simply because employers are afraid of being racist and getting sued.

“Hardly the same. Simply visit any African American ghetto. You'll see just how far reaching those 'racist' policies are. And by the way, those 'racist' policies you mention HAD to be introduced to keep all the racist whites that still existed from, well, being racist. Nevertheless, I'm not a beneficiary of any such policy, and I don't know one single person who is. To me it just seems like another bogeyman to fear.”


Official hiring, and prosecution by the government greatly favors the Black race. Go and argue on newer entries with all the other White people about it and they will school you on the subject. Regardless I do understand that they are playing both sides, yet discrimination against Blacks can cost you your livelihood, and put you in jail. Discrimination against Whites is just par for the course.

Who are you talking about exactly? (It's a rhetorical question, because you can say that about every single race. And I'm pretty cool with a few East Indians, but yeah, everyone is 'racist'.)


No not everyone is racist. You can say everyone prefers their own, which to a degree I’d agree with you, but actually being a racist is to openly hate other races. The latter does not apply to me. This is what I was talking about.

“You said, and still say, that wherever black people turn up there is poverty and violence, like it's endemic and not related to anything else. That kind of shit is annoying as hell”


Then prove me wrong, I find it to be an absolute truth. The crime stats do not lie about such a thing. Not being told in the media over and over is a clue that it is a truth, especially when they can so easily get that information from the government because it’s freely available on the web.

http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-04-02hm.html

http://www.amren.com/ar/2007/07/

http://www.amren.com/ar/1994/06/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856787/Violent-inner-city-crime-the-figures-and-a-question-of-race.html

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

http://www.white-history.com/usacrime.htm

Ryan said...

Until you go through those then we really haven’t much more to talk about, because other than Black hatred of Whites, this was the most compelling reason for me to investigate further. The news isn’t good. You want to see a wealth of knowledge about Africa? Then go to here and find out how bad they are over there:

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/africa/4.php

Go through these links like I go through yours you send me. Then and only then can we have an understanding of what is going on. Hell check out this site, and try to keep a race neutral perspective and not lash out at anything that speaks bad about Blacks.

"They enforced it through their superior military power, and ended up officially ending slavery world wide by the end of the century.


If not for those Europeans who ended it, slavery would be as common worldwide today as it was several centuries ago."


No. They actually had more to do with it than you think. White people and black people worked together. But we still would have freed ourselves.


Wow you’re delusional with this statement right here. No there was no way in hell if all Whites were for Slavery that Blacks ever could have freed themselves.

“Yeah. I know. But it doesn't change the fact that true practitioners of Islam, as a religion of love, don't buy into all that shit.”

But that doesn’t change how Islam actually operates if a few people even if the majority don’t stand up for what is right.

“Central Europe. "According to the majority of sources the region includes:

Austria
Czech Republic
Germany
Hungary
Liechtenstein
Poland
Slovakia
Slovenia
Switzerland”

Point 5 taking totally off topic just to argue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Europe

I don’t think I need anyone to tell me about European history and geography, I can practically teach it to people myself. It is clear to me that all you want to do is argue after seeing this. You’re a pathetic wretch that has no ability to see anything but Black and all you like to do is argue. After that comment about Blacks freeing themselves from slavery I have to stop because I really think you aren’t worth talking to anymore. You aren’t any better than the worst Afrocentrists, and it’s very obvious you have no clue what you’re talking about. It’s not a debate or even an argument but more like pounding on the wall to your neighbor.


It’s been fun THIS IS MY NAME, but I just can’t talk to someone totally irrational in their beliefs.

TIMN said...

OK, I'll go search my soul. Because I said all that and that's what I think, you're not way off the mark at all, chasing phantoms that never existed or anything. And yeah, when people kill in wartime it's totally different from every other time, because people who get killed during war don't actually die, they get new lives and get to start over once the war goes away. And there's no war on drugs or anything, anyway. And yeah, I really meant a PHOTOGRAPH of Menes because I'm that stupid. It takes a really intelligent person to think that someone is THAT stupid, doesn't it? Obviously I wasn't talking about a visible image, especially one on a flat surface or screen, I was implying, clearly, that scientists managed to throw a Menes-seeking camera through a worm-hole and photograph an ancient Egyptian, one who was, by the way, made out of crumbling stone. This is clearly what I meant. Thank you for being so smart and pointing out my blatant idiocy.

And 3,000 farmers dying in South Africa over the last 15 years (some of whom were races other than whites, by the way) is totally not something you could look at as karma for Apartheid or anything, unlike Iraq apparently (?). Neither is all the crime in America capable of being viewed as karma, unlike Iraq, apparently (?). The reasoning must be that, historically, the injustice committed against Africans, etc, was TOO RECENT. The karmic time-release capsule hasn't had enough time to dissolve yet, so black people are just acting like they're mad for no reason, it's totally invalid, and, unlike Iraq, not karmic at all.

?

Yeah, I'm bored.

That other evidence you supplied is conjecture and still has no major support, due to lack of widespread evidence. Even if it proves to be true, it simply doesn't change a damn thing to me. All humans are still humans, it's pretty simple... You see, no racism. I don't care. I just wish people would get the fuck off it, really.

Eh, all that other shit, I don't have the time or desire right now. Sorry. Shoot me your email address if you want, we can continue in a less hostile environment.

To be honest, I'm tired of visiting this site now. I'm not even reading the new posts, I just don't care anymore.

Anonymous said...

This My Name is awesome! Keep rocking, and Ryan has nothing on you. His points aren't valid and it's he who can't handle the truth. That's why he keeps counter-attacking you and arguing with you for how many days straight?

(Laughs)

Keep it up THIS IS MY NAME!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous - Wow fucking stupid of you to say that he has nothing on him, and can't handle the truth when everything Ryan's said was backed up. And they counter argued eachother for many days, which doesn't necessarily point to either of them winning based on that fact alone.

So it's obvious, you're just another stupid ghetto Black that no matter what was said you'd be mouthing off in support of your side.

TIMN said...

Thanks anon@6:52! But I don't really have the time any longer. My vacation is over! And it's obvious he isn't actually interested in modifying any of his claims. For instance:

"No there was no way in hell if all Whites were for Slavery that Blacks ever could have freed themselves."


I never, ever, not even once hinted that all whites were for slavery! Not even a hint! But he'd rather argue about improbable hypothetical situations than acknowledge the growing trend towards violent and non-violent rebellion during slavery.

Or:

"I don’t think I need anyone to tell me about European history and geography"

What was once Eastern Europe to most is now becoming Central Europe. This is recent. 1984 is a good book. He should read it.

And then all the crime stats. He's not interested in tracing sources of crime, or analyzing reasons why 'crime' is committed, historically, by marginalized and oppressed people, regardless of race, though race is often a deciding factor in who is marginalized and oppressed.

And it's not that I 'believe anything' I don't, but the probability that things like that occurred is high, considering the racial slur of 'gator bait' and the old artwork depicting black babies crawling away from giant alligators. Perhaps your girlfriend is simply in denial. It's quite common amongst self-loathing black people. Maybe, MAYBE, that's what she is. It's worth taking a visit to a few therapists to find out.

And all the crime stats...I already said "like it's endemic and not related to anything else". I think the existence of slavery and colonization in Africa are related enough. You don't seem to understand class structures very well, or how the so-called 'upper' class makes the rules that often oppress the so-called 'lower' class. Weed is a crime, alcohol is not. Cocaine is a crime, pharmaceuticals are not. Crack is a crime, cigarettes are not. It's a crime for more than 5 people to stand on the street corner. Who decided that was a crime? And if crack, weed and cocaine were legal there would be a lot less killing over it.

And it's funny that your girlfriend called me an idiot for linking to that vid when my girlfriend thought it was disgusting. Yeah, denial seems likely.

Either way,

*yawn*

THIS IS MY NAME said...

From your Telegraph link:

Richard Garside, of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies at King’s College London, said: “Given Britain’s long history of racism and imperialism it should not greatly surprise us that black and minority ethnic groups are disproportionately members of social classes that have tended to experience greater victimisation and to be the subject of police attention.

“Just because the police treat black men as more criminal than white men, it does not mean that they are.” Simon Woolley, speaking as the director of the Operation Black Vote pressure group, but who is also a commissioner on the Equality and Human Rights Commission, said: “Although the charge rates for some criminal acts amongst black men are high, black people are more than twice as likely to have their cases dismissed, suggesting unfairness in the system.”

And:

The figures relate to those “proceeded against”.

This includes those prosecuted in court, whether convicted or acquitted; those issued with a caution, warning or penalty notice; those the Crown Prosecution Service decided not to charge; and those whose crimes were “taken into consideration” after a further offence.

Unsolved crimes are not included.

The figures do not take into account that any one perpetrator may have committed numerous offences.

Anonymous said...

All of this argument only to conclude that Africans are Africans.

Anonymous said...

What is this? Blame Blacky?
It's the same old song and dance from you people, your stats are juked, for one, and only representative of a very brief period in time, about 3 decades, and even in those three decades it was not always blacks who emerged as the leading murderers.
And the majority of the time we're killing ourselves anyway. So why not let us handle it?

Don't like black people much?