Monday, November 28, 2011

Will "The First 48" be the model?: "The Punisher" gets a TV Show

A Punisher TV Show? Will it be like The First 48?
The popularity of Showtime’s Dexter, a drama about Dexter Morgan (played brilliantly by Michael C. Hall), by day a blood splatter analyst for the Miami Metro Police and by night, a sociopathic vigilante killer, has forced CBS, ABC, NBC, and Fox to scramble to replicate this disturbing hit by introducing similarly themed programs to their networks.

Where once television was littered with cheap reality and game shows, the major networks are seeing the big numbers that thriller/dramas on Showtime, HBO, and AMC (which airs The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, and Breaking Bad) are pulling in and beginning to copy this formula.  

The highest rated shows are on CBS, with programs and series detailing police and crime scene investigators (CSI, CSI: Miami, NCSI, CSI: LA, etc.) regularly providing the highest Nielsen ratings.

At the box office, the movies that consistently bring about the biggest returns are comic book movies (Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and The Dark Knight have all been huge winners for Hollywood recently).

Merging the desire to see vigilante justice and criminal investigations on television, with a mix of superhero panache, Fox has picked up a pilot commitment that will detail the saga of perhaps the most right-wing character in the history of comics, The Punisher:

FOX recently picked up The Punisher with a pilot commitment from former Criminal Minds showrunner Ed Bernero. The series is seen as an hour-long procedural with – wait for it…a new take on the character! That’s right, arguably the most cut-and-dry character in Marvel’s pantheon of heroes is yet again the recipient of what could be a make over that misses the mark.

This time around, as opposed to being a decorated Vietnam veteran with a serious mad-on for criminal types, The Punisher sees Frank Castle as a detective with the New York City Police Department who takes to the streets in his off time, in search of justice as the vigilante known as The Punisher.

Marvel Comics resident gun-toting vigilante (created when Deathwish and Dirty Harry popularity were at their zenith) has been the subject of three big screen adaptations (a 1989 version with Dolph Lundgren; a 2004 attempt at creating a franchise with Thomas Jane; and a 2008 version with Ray Stevenson that should have been straight to DVD) that have never found the right chord with an audience. Yet the desire to see Frank Castle wage war on the criminal underground has never abated, despite three failed attempts.

There’s just something about a white guy rectifying the wrongs of society (and those who the legal system fails to punish) that resonates with the general public. See The Boondock Saints for more on this concept.

Perhaps television is the perfect medium to tell the story Castle, whose iconic “Skull” shirt/logo has inspired real-life Special Forces soldiers from Norway, and his never-ending war on crime. The popularity of Dexter presupposes that a properly scripted vigilante story can garner a huge audience; removing the restrictions of a 90-minute movie to tell a Punisher story will give the audience time to understand Castle’s motivations and build-up story-lines and antagonists that viewers will enjoy seeing him dispatch.

But there exists a problem in setting the television show in New York City; the people committing the overwhelmingly majority of murders, rapes, property offenses, muggings, and assaults in the city aren’t the same ones routinely shown as the perpetual “great white defendant” in Law and Order.

If the show is grounded in reality, then NYC Police Detective Frank Castle is going to be considered a “racist” pretty quickly by the New York Times and New York Post, as between 2003 and 2009 the murders in the city where monopolized by people of Black (60 percent) and Hispanic (29 percent) descent.

The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart stumbled upon this unpleasant truth, this distressing reporting (from an analysis of crime statistics):
"In short, 95.1 percent of all murder victims and 95.9 percent of all shooting victims in New York City are black or Hispanic. And 90.2 percent of those arrested for murder and 96.7 percent of those arrested for shooting someone are black and Hispanic. I don’t even know where to begin to describe the horror I still feel looking at those numbers. But the word ‘hunted’ comes to mind."
Based on real NYC crime stats, this is who The Punisher would actually punish
Black and Hispanic people have a near exclusivity on crime in New York City, but you can bet the farm that The Punisher show on Fox will show Frank Castle battling your stereotypical multi-racial criminal gangs found only on television or film (like in the NYC gang movie The Warriors).  Though statistics show that less than 10 percent of gang members in America are white – and this includes the FBI classifying the pathetic Insane Clown Posse “Juggalos” as a gang - Castle will probably mow through plenty of imaginary Caucasian bad guys on the show.

One wonders if Frank Castle will be privy to the 2010 NYPD’s NYPD’s enforcement report, “Crime and Enforcement Activity in New York City,” which showed that:
  • blacks made up a staggering 60.9% of murder suspects (not arrests), 52.6% of rape suspects, 52.4% of other felony sex crime suspects, 70.8% of robbery (mugging) suspects and 54.9% of felonious assault suspects;
  • Hispanics made up 30.7% of murder suspects, 33.8% of rape suspects, 31.2% of other felony sex crime suspects, 23.3% of robbery suspects and 32.5% of felonious assault suspects; and
  • whites made up 4.9% of murder suspects, 8.9% of rape suspects, 12.7% of other felony sex crime suspects, 4.6% of robbery suspects and 8.2% of felonious assault suspects.
How will that hedge-fund in Montgomery react if The Punisher television show actually reflects real criminal patterns in New York City? Well, the precedent for distorting the truth of crime in America has already been set by the Fox Network, with the creator of the popular COPS show admitting he tried to paint a rosy picture of the Black and Hispanic communities in America by deliberately showing a disproportionate amount of white criminals:
John Langley, the creator of the long-running FOX program, COPS.   Langley says he's irked by some media critics who accuse the show of perpetuating stereotypes about "people of color" by depicting a disproportionate percentage of minority suspects.  Au Contraire, Langley protests, he intentionally shows an inordinate number of white suspects in order to side-step the facts.  "I show more white people than, statistically, what the truth is."
Even Showtime’s Dexter set in Miami, where crime is also monopolized by Black and Hispanics – has primarily shown the eponymous hero target only white bad guys. Perhaps The Punisher is doomed from the start; if it goes the reality route, that hedge-fund in Montgomery with the healthiest balance sheet in Americ, The Color of Change, La Raza and the NAACP will immediately attack the show as racist, though it only reflects actual crime rates in the city.

If it goes the comic book route, it will more than likely fail for the same reason NBC’s abomination called The Cape did: over-the-top cartoonish white villains that are best kept on the big screen.

This much is known: Frank Castle is a white guy; statistics show that it is primarily Black and Hispanic people that make New York City unsafe. Actually, it’s Black (and Hispanic) people that make any city in America unsafe to live in.

Remember: The FBI's 2010 Uniform Crime Reports showed that 53.1 percent of known murderers in 2010 were Black people (44 percent were white, but the FBI lumps in those of Hispanic/Mexican descent into this pale category). Think  about that for a second: already, more than 1 million Black males are in prison; Black people are only 13 percent of the overall US population, with a significant portion under the age of 12. Thus, the bulk of the violent crime in America is committed by (and this is an estimate) roughly 2-3 percent of the US population.

Then again, watching The First 48 on A&E offers a glimpse of the kind of disreputable characters that a Detective Castle would go after at night.

But The First 48 isn't a scripted show. It's real life. And, as we know, truth has a well-known racial bias. So you can bet The Punisher TV show will be littered with Black Fictional Images.

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Big Dexter fan here, and I can tell you that many a hispanic has ended up on his table.

Dexter goes after serial killers which from my understanding (I have not checked the actual facts) are mostly white.

Maybe you can do a piece on black serial killers.

Steve said...

I guarantee the new Punisher series will feature him battling white mobsters and that ever present plague of ivory mob skin heads.

Anonymous said...

"Dexter goes after serial killers which from my understanding (I have not checked the actual facts) are mostly white."

Checked the facts, most serial killers are indeed white males. This is even taking into account that whites outnumber non-whites in America.

Anonymous said...

The First 48 should be MANDATORY Viewing for all white people in the U.S. I have watched it every week for the last 3 years and have seen a white killer, only once on the show, include this with the stats below and yet ANOTHER Black myth goes down the drain.


90 African American and 323 white American serial murderers, all men operating between 1945 and 2004."
http://www.mwilliams.info/archive/2007/05/cri...

Whites 120,000,000 men over age 18 =.27 per 100k
Blacks 18,000,000 men over age 18 =.5 per 100k

Blacks are 5.4 times or 540% more prone to being serial killers than whites.

Anonymous said...

CSI manages to have mostly white badguys, but the great white defendant alteast makes some sense for them. No one really wants to watch what actually happens.

Jeff! said...

Of course, a major network Punisher is going to fight against fictional white murderers. BRA would have it no other way.

As for white serial killers, the reason for that probably has something to do with the fact that serial killers tend to be intelligent, highly motivated individuals. How many blacks meet those requirements?

MuayTyson said...

"Checked the facts, most serial killers are indeed white males. This is even taking into account that whites outnumber non-whites in America."

Not so sure this is a well studied fact. Again charges of racism/ or politics influence the science.

Look at the D.C. sniper cases it went on far to long because the profile was bad. You also have to take into account a black serial killer would have a better chance of escaping detection for many multiple reasons. Volume of crime, no snitching, lot's of throw away people with out family or friends, and over all dysfunction in the hood.

A John Wayne Gayce in a middle class suburb would be much more likely to be caught then the Atlanta Child murderer.

A missing or murdered White has much more traceable roots and contacts than a black who is just one of many people murdered within a given time span.

Anonymous said...

"....a new take on the character..."

OK, so they are giving Frank Castle a non canon day job (detective), they'll probably ignore the Vietnam vet angle as that would make him "too old" for the coveted 18-30 audience, so why couldn't they just go ahead and ignore his canon race (white) and ethnicity (Italian)?

That "new take" could see him as a black vet of Desert Storm or Operation Just Cause, who was inspired to become a vigilante because black thugs murdered his honor student younger brother/pregnant wife/parents. If Frank Castle is black, then it would be "OK" for him to take on Thugs of Color.

I am not saying I want them to do this or that I think it's a good idea, just that the "new take" could go in all sorts of different directions.

PS . I went to the Punisher wikipedia because I wanted to find Frank Castle's birth name-I think it's Francesco Castiglione. (I do read comics and GNs & TPBs, but I am not a Punisher fan.) I ran across a listing for "alternative Punishers", and one-Jake Gallows-sounds at least somewhat like this so called "new take".

Anonymous said...

Attempted robbery at Houston Denny's, foiled by gun-carrying customer...

Amazingly, no description of the suspects...

http://www.click2houston.com/news/Customer-armed-robbers-engage-in-shootout/-/1735978/4827524/-/xvh5f6/-/index.html

The Fighting Whitey said...

Well, there certainly would be a market for a show that men, particularly white men, might watch.

Crime dramas today are female fantasies where the central (strong female) character, assisted by a cast of minorities, brings justice to bear on unattractive white male father figures.

The perp on these shows is always the whitest, richest male, guilty of some heinous crime against a woman or person of color.

Anonymous said...

Danny Vega, popular openly-gay Seattle hair salon owner, who was beaten nearly to death by 3 teeniggers on Nov. 15, has died.

Even the white-guilt libtards in Seattle (niggerlover capital of the USA) are getting sick of this shit:

check out the comments here:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/11/danny_vega_south_seattle_haird.php

from the article:

"UPDATE: Nearly two weeks after being beaten into a coma by what he described as a trio of black teenagers, South Seattle hair stylist Danny Vega has died. His loved ones, meanwhile, say they're more interested in justice than in peace.
UPDATE CONTINUED: Vega, as the AP reports, died on Sunday, surrounded by friends and family and hooked up to life-support systems. KING 5 reports that family members, more than anything else, want Vega's killers to be caught.

The family members also believe that Vega was targeted because he was openly gay. But Seattle police are thus far unconvinced, as they are not investigating the murder as a hate crime.

Hate crime or not, whatever group of cowardly scumbags who prey in packs of three on 60-year-old men are still on the loose."

Anonymous said...

"Checked the facts, most serial killers are indeed white males. This is even taking into account that whites outnumber non-whites in America."

Actually no. If you include spree killers blacks are actually the higher much higher in the mass murder market. Whites are simply smart enough to get away with killing for years. Blacks generally are not and thus generally get caught early into their sprees.

danaigh said...

Regarding the false perception of serial killers; the following was copied from:

La Griffe Du Lion
Volume 9 Number 2
May 2007

WHY MOST SERIAL KILLERS ARE WHITE MEN

..."African American serial killers made up 22% of Walsh's sample, a figure in close agreement Hickey's enumeration. But, as blacks number well below 22% of the U.S. population, they are actually overrepresented among the ranks of serial killers -- roughly by a factor of 2."...

See: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/serial.htm

Ben N Indiana said...

• The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks . . . lynched between 1882 and 1968.

2,268 blacks killed by each other in one city, 2003 - 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States

• A United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.2% of the offenders were Black,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Anonymous said...

http://rainiervalley.komonews.com/news/crime/693783-danny-vega-dies-hospital-police-continue-search-attackers

Read the comments. People in Seattle are getting pissed at the groids.

Anonymous said...

don't worry, by season two I promise you that Frank will have a magical negreh to guide him through the many pitfalls of life. Or he'll break out of the closet and discover he's a pillow biter.

Just be ready for that "very special episode".

Baldowl said...

The Punisher belongs on HBO or Showtime, period. The Fox version will be a sanitized disgrace. Castle will have a black sidekick or answer to a black superior--it's almost guaranteed. You'd think by now someone would realize that this character can only be successful in films or on TV if you leave him the way he is in the comics: a pissed off vigilante who can be colorblind because most street crime only comes in one color.

Anonymous said...

whites are the majority of serial killers because thinking is hard work... you have to have 3 digit IQ's in order to stay ahead of the law if you go pulling stunts like that over and over again.

josh said...

A)There are many serial killers who are black,and quite a few Hispanic. Remember Juan Corona? B)A firend insisst on watching this chick show with taye Diggs---one dark brotha!--as a top notch doctor. he is torn because his white lover wnats a baby...but he doesnt! (LOL!) look to se plenty of black judges,esp. females,as wella s black doctors,etc.

Anonymous said...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-transvestite-muggers-target-lincoln-park-pedestrians-20111126,0,1130381.story

Chicago - 2 Black cross-dressing thugs rob 2 people in broad daylight. Spray victims with pepper spray.

Whiskey said...

Black serial killers are probably undercounted, given that their victims are primarily Black prostitutes who no one cares about, no family to push for resolution.

"Person of Interest" combines near sci-fi (computer predicts crime) with vigilante justice ala the Equalizer, with mostly White criminals with the excuse that the machine (built to sweep all electronic communications, banking, surveillance videos etc. looking for terrorism but also finding ordinary planned murders) picks up on only those planned, not spur of the moment. Thus the shooting done in a fit of rage is not picked up. Sometimes the machine picks up victims, sometimes potential murderers, some victims unsympathetic, some potential murderers sympathetic. All have been White, there's an unrealistic Black female super-cop on the chase, but the planning bit is an out.

Anonymous said...

It is unsafe leave your livingroom if sustaining certain illusions beamed from your television.

Anonymous said...

American society is a violent one because guns and blacks are a lethal mix. Most blacks have no concept of impulse control. Give me black-free Swiss or Austrian society any day.

Zenster said...

The highest rated shows are on CBS, with programs and series detailing police and crime scene investigators (CSI, CSI: Miami, NCSI, CSI: LA, etc.) regularly providing the highest Nielsen ratings.

Gee willikers, what to make of that?

Considering how a vast majority of viewers are White and that network programming is designed to catch their attention, what can be deduced from this information?

It would appear as though Whites feel a distinct need for, and derive satisfaction from, seeing criminals apprehended and convicted.

Would anyone care to hazard a guess regarding how this might reflect upon the way that Whites feel about strong racial biases in crime, especially violent crime as committed by Blacks?

The fact that the lead characters in Dexter and The Punisher are vigilantes speaks volumes as well.

There’s just something about a white guy rectifying the wrongs of society (and those who the legal system fails to punish) that resonates with the general public.

Quel surprise!

If the show is grounded in reality, then NYC Police Detective Frank Castle is going to be considered a “racist” pretty quickly by the New York Times and New York Post, as between 2003 and 2009 the murders in the city where monopolized by people of Black (60 percent) and Hispanic (29 percent) descent.

Well, shuckey darn. Maybe racism is suddenly going to find itself en vogue. Don't be too surprised if it does. However, my money would be on the networks playing down the race angle like they've been doing for-effing-ever.

Hey, then again, maybe Hispanics and Blacks will complain because they're not getting enough air time or being accurately portrayed. You never know.

Langley says he's irked by some media critics who accuse the show of perpetuating stereotypes about "people of color" by depicting a disproportionate percentage of minority suspects. Au Contraire, Langley protests, he intentionally shows an inordinate number of white suspects in order to side-step the facts. "I show more white people than, statistically, what the truth is."

In other words, the man is a revisionist anti-White bastard who is deluding the general public with his slanted depiction of White criminality. Wouldn't it be nice if White America boycotted that POS show.

Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, look at who they're arresting in England:

Woman arrested over racist rant on tram

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8921283/Woman-arrested-over-racist-rant-on-tram.html

"The 34-year-old from New Addington in Croydon, south London, was held on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence after a video came to light on YouTube...

She can be heard saying: 'What has this country come to ... with loads of black people and a load of f------ Polish.

'Sort out your own countries, don't come and do mine, Britain is nothing now, Britain is f--- all, my Britain is f--- all now.'

A British Transport Police (BTP) spokesman said: 'A 34-year-old woman from New Addington was arrested on Monday, 28 November on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence.

'This relates to a video which appeared on YouTube and was brought to police attention earlier today.'”


As screwed up as the US is, at least we're not yet to the point where we can get arrested for defying our fascist, politically correct masters.

Anonymous said...

Serial Killers

Anyone heard of Muggabe

Kylie said...

"don't worry, by season two I promise you that Frank will have a magical negreh to guide him through the many pitfalls of life. Or he'll break out of the closet and discover he's a pillow biter.

Just be ready for that 'very special episode'."


Or he'll fall in love with a woman of color while avenging her brother's death at the hands of a white supremacist group.

Zenster said...

Anonymous (November 28, 2011 2:38 PM): As screwed up as the US is, at least we're not yet to the point where we can get arrested for defying our fascist, politically correct masters.

Patience, my friend, patience.

Obama endorses 'blasphemy' exception to free speech

Earlier, conservatives and civil libertarians criticized the Obama Administration for endorsing restrictions on so-called “hate speech” at the United Nations. The Administration is backing proposals to classify hate speech as a violation of international human rights law. Left-wing lawyers are now likely to argue that these proposals constitute “customary international law” binding on the U.S., as a consensus interpretation of treaties the U.S. has already signed, like the CEDAW equal rights treaty. The U.S. courts are unlikely to accept such arguments in the near future, although if Obama manages to appoint enough left-wing judges, the chances of such arguments prevailing will increase.



While advocating bans on hate speech, the Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to hate speech and hate crimes by its allies and supporters. It turned a blind eye to voter intimidation by the New Black Panther Party, which is a racist, anti-semitic hate group that backed Obama and included an Obama poll-watcher and Democratic Party official in Philadelphia. It was silent about the violent, racially-charged SEIU assault on a black conservative critic of Obama’s healthcare proposals. The Administration and its allies use the SEIU as shock troops at town hall meetings, and Obama recently appointed a high-ranking SEIU official, Craig Becker, to the NLRB. (The SEIU is closely linked with, and even overlaps with, the controversial group ACORN, which gave Obama his start, and whose affiliate received $800,000 from his campaign. ACORN was recently involved in a high-profile scandal promoting underage prostitution).

While turning a blind eye to hate and prejudice from the Left, the Administration has backed a bill in Congress, now virtually certain to become law, that will allow some people found innocent of hate crimes in state court to be reprosecuted all over again in federal court, taking advantage of a loophole in Constitutional protections against double jeopardy. (The bill was opposed by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, which has also questioned the Obama Administration’s turning a blind eye to racist voter intimidation and the unconstitutional racial preferences in Obama’s health-care plan).
[emphasis added]

Obama's reelection could easily spell the death of Free Speech as we know it in America.

Zenster said...

MuayTyson: Look at the D.C. sniper cases it went on far to long because the profile was bad.

Hold onto your hats. You'll love this one.

In 1998 my job involved working on spectroscopic ellipsometers ― wide spectrum (UV-Vis-NIR) light-based tools that measure layer thickness in semiconductor processes ― and there was this one jerkus maximus from Afghanistan that was in our department.

Snotty, arrogant, can-do-no-wrong, everything you expect from a young Muslim. Needless to say (then why say it?), we did not get along.

Fast forward a few years and I'm drinking wine with a good friend I made at that same job.

He proceeds to tell me how this Muslim assclown and his entire family went to Washington DC so they could meet his arranged wife and her relations.

After meeting their entire extended family at the airport, they decide to rent a vehicle large enough to hold everyone.

This was right during the Beltway sniper attacks.

Imagine a van full of Muslim men and women, some not fluent in English, all dressed in traditional conservative Islamic garb.

Oh, and the corker?

They rented a White van.

I was laughing myself silly as my friend related how this van-load of newly arrived Muslims were being pulled over every quarter mile and just about strip searched by frantic DC police.

It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

Blue Line said...

Becoming a serial killer involves planning, intelligence, strategy and an acute awareness of surroundings and investigative techniques.

These are traits not evident in the Negro. The Negro will typically leave a gift-wrapped evidence trail that even Barney Fife can follow back and apprehend.

I stopped watching First 48 when that show shifted to Memphis and became all about the narcissistic Bantu detective. She was a shitty investigator (a high clearance rate thanks to numerous dunkers instead of stone whodunits), and a disgrace to the profession.

Zenster said...

For gits and shiggles, I did a quick comparison, expecting to find some of the usual overlap in homicides and how they correspond to food deserts.

Thugs in New York would have to travel all the way to Newark, New Jersey just to find one!

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you!

Those killers have it easy.

Anonymous said...

An email I recently received from YouTube:

"Text comments you posted to YouTube have been identified as containing hate speech, and have been deleted from the site. We encourage free speech and defend everyone's right to express their points of view even if unpopular. But YouTube does not permit hate speech. 'Hate speech' means content that promotes hatred or violence against members of a protected group (race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation/gender identity). Sometimes there is a fine line between what is and what is not considered hate speech. If you're not sure whether or not your content crosses the line, don't post it."

"Hate speech" against whites = not a problem.

They support free speech, you see, just not free speech that's in defiance of America's ruling PC power structure. You can't even post non-obscene, anti-establishment comments on most media websites. What chance does "The Punisher" have?

We live in a highly repressive society, a society far more repressive than anything the hippies whined about in the '60's. Now that those same old hippies run things, they are enforcing the Marxist thought control they've always dreamed of.

Anonymous said...

So OK I'll counter argue, I won't deny the overwhelming disparate impact of black and brown crime. Fine. But pointing a finger at people groups who are already economically disadvantaged and kicking the already down, in the name of "reality" accomplishes what exactly? More racial ill will in a melting pot? More intergroup resentment? What are your Utopian ends, a whites only world? Are you Charles Manson hoping for a helter skelter race war royale scenario? Do you want a cohesive nation or not? Don't really care to be honest, it just makes it intellectually easier if I can dismiss you all as evil anti-black racists who have a hardon for a whites only world.

Zenster said...

Blue Line: The Negro will typically leave a gift-wrapped evidence trail that even Barney Fife can follow back and apprehend.

Now, you know that's going to leave a mark!

Anonymous said...

INDIANA Reader

Link to PK's Homicide Map of New York Interesting

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 6:39 PM

...So your argument is: a TV show that shows society's real criminals will hurt the feelings of all those who happen to have the same skin color. Tut tut, where to being?

Those committing the crimes are the ones causing racial ill will in this so-called "melting pot." Intergroup resentment exists because blacks and hispanics are murdering, raping, and robbing whites instead of sticking to their own shit-poor race. If they would live peacefully and productively with whites, then there would be no resentment amongst most. Racism can't be the reason so many whites have fled to suburbs just to protect their families. If blacks and hispanics didn't harbor a deep hatred (and dare I say, jealousy) of whites then they wouldn't have resentment and wouldn't kill/harass/beat them like they are wont to do.

No Utopian ends, just the theory (and a damn good one at that) that if whites were left on their own they would be much better off than if they "melted" with races with whom they are not compatible. If the black and hispanic communities don't fix their own people's goddamn mess then, yes, there WILL be a race war.

Do YOU want a cohesive nation? Are you prepared for the uncomfortable truth that a cohesive AND diverse nation might not be possible. It all sounds so nice when talking in those diversity classes, but in 50% black cities there is no cohesiveness and no peace but there's plenty of diversity to go around.

Ben N Indiana said...

Blue Line said...
Becoming a serial killer involves planning, intelligence, strategy and an acute awareness of surroundings and investigative techniques.

These are traits not evident in the Negro


Well said. Add impulsive to the list.

Still, blacks serial killers (at 22 percent) are over-presented relative to their demographic (12 percent).

Ben N Indiana said...

Zenster: Hey, then again, maybe Hispanics and Blacks will complain because they're not getting enough air time or being accurately portrayed. You never know.

Black actors generally have two complaints:

1 - They are made to look like dark white people or

2 - They are made to look like jive-talking jungle bunnies.

I'm thinking, 'What else is there?"

Anonymous said...

"pointing a finger at people groups who are already economically disadvantaged and kicking the already down, in the name of "reality" accomplishes what exactly?"

1. Crime rates among "economically disadvantaged" whites and Asians are significantly less, so poverty is a lame excuse.
2. Reality is truth. Everyone should know the truth about crime.

Anonymous said...

"it just makes it intellectually easier if I can dismiss you all as evil anti-black racists who have a hardon for a whites only world."

Wow. Congratulations on your mindless play of "The Nazi Card".

Obviously a lot of deep thought went into that one...

Anonymous said...

You misunderstood, I wasn't using economic status to justify criminl behavior, I was pointing out that, you're talking about people who already down, and now you're adding to your assault how criminal they are. It's what you do. Fine. You're proving me right that you're looking for a Whitopian world of only one color. If you'd paid attention to th context of the post, you would've noticed, but as your taglines infer your sole interest is in kicking already down people groups. It's a free country, do as you will, but you don't act surprised when mainstream society dismisses your entire movement as a small segment of fringe racists.

Anonymous said...

Trial junkie here. Last summer I saw Marcia Clark promoting her mediocre to poor novel on TV. A serial killer was on the loose somewhere and Clark was asked about serial killers. She said that most of them were not that smart but were hard to catch because they killed strangers.

Clark described serial killers as "mostly moronic animals." She prosecuted a black serial killer who targeted older Asian women a few years before O.J. Simpson.

Yes, there are a LOT of black serial killers. There were 5 different killers operating in South LA, the Grim Sleeper, Lonnie Franklin, being the last identified and still to be tried.

Baldowl said...

I'm really enjoying how the New Black Anonymous omits some of his verbs. It's just like the real thing!

Anonymous said...

"you're talking about people who already down"

No, I'm talking about people who commit a fuckload of crime.

Anonymous said...

"you're adding to your assault how criminal they are"

There is no "assault", there is only truth, which should always be encouraged.

YT said...

"It's a free country, do as you will, but you don't act surprised when mainstream society dismisses your entire movement as a small segment of fringe racists."

A) Fuck You
B) It's not free. Are you kidding? We want to be free to not associate
C)The great thing about our fringe movement is that it will continue to gain steam as mainstreamers like yourself keep being murdered for iPods, shoes or a piece of green paper with $20 written on it.
D) See A.

Anonymous said...

You misunderstood, I wasn't using economic status to justify criminl behavior, I was pointing out that, you're talking about people who already down, and now you're adding to your assault how criminal they are.

A fact doesn't cease to be a fact because some people don't like that fact. If you don't like the fact that the sun sets in the west,all of the complaining in the world won't make the sun set in the east.

More racial ill will in a melting pot? More intergroup resentment?

You can melt wax and ice in same pot and stir it till judgment day. And the wax and the water will remain separate. Some groups have melted into society here quite acceptably,and other groups haven't. Complaining about someone pointing out that blacks haven't ever really managed to successfully assimilate into a western European society does not change the fact that blacks don't assimilate.

What are your Utopian ends, a whites only world? Are you Charles Manson hoping for a helter skelter race war royale scenario?

I don't hope for a race war,but I'm beginning to think that one may very well happen.

Do you want a cohesive nation or not? Don't really care to be honest, it just makes it intellectually easier if I can dismiss you all as evil anti-black racists who have a hardon for a whites only world.

I'd love a cohesive nation. But I no longer think that the majority of black people are capable of creating one,or living in one on equal terms with the rest of the citizens. Or inhabitants,or whatever you want to call them.

Believe it or not,I honestly do not wish blacks any harm,at least as long as they keep out of trouble. What I do want is for them to be gone. Bluntly,they're just too damned expensive to keep around. They're a lot like those diesel engines GM built by using a standard 350 block.

It wasn't that the converted 350 was bad-it just wasn't very good. Owning one,and keeping it running involved too many tradeoffs to make the thing worth keeping around any longer than necessary.

YT said...

""don't worry, by season two I promise you that Frank will have a magical negreh to guide him through the many pitfalls of life. Or he'll break out of the closet and discover he's a pillow biter.

Just be ready for that 'very special episode'."

Which begs the question: why does ANY self respecting non-protected-hyphenated-american have a TV anymore? Especially cable or satellite. You pay money for your own propaganda against you that's already laced with advertisements.

Even this season of Dexter had Dexter befriending a token "turned hims life around" magic negro with a white, nerdy, religious villain.

I'm not religious but I can clearly see its the SAME OLD MARXIST, YKW BULLSHIT. It NEVER EVER EVER FAILS.

Even the history and discover channels show nothing but fake reality shows about bigfoot and dipshits trying to fist catfish. WHAT THE FUCK?! Did the great Oz decide the goyim where learning something from WWII footage that needed to be stomped out?

Cancel your cable, satellite whatever. If you really really need to see a tv show, watch it on hulu or just download it.

No complaining, no spots watching, just walk away from it and troll youtube if you need entertainment. Making fun of Tupac always gets some hilarious insults from the woodpile...

Californian said...

I was pointing out that, you're talking about people who already down, and now you're adding to your assault how criminal they are.


Again, why are blacks "down?" Explain to me why after half a century of civil rights legislation, and affirmative action, and open housing, and minority grants, and black studies, and corporate foundation grants, and "diversity" agitprop, andthe unreserved support by every liberal institution in this country (i.e. most of them), and "hatecrime" laws, and so forth and so on and et cetera, why have blacks failed to oerform at the same levels as whites?

Why do we continue to see such dysfunctions as:
* Black illegitimacy rates several times higher than that of whites?
* Black school drop out rates several times higher than that of whites?
* Black violent crime several times that higher than that of whites?
* Blacks failing to start-up IT and other high-tech companies at the same rates as peoples of other races?

You'd think that blacks would be taking advantage of the unprecedented opportunities they have had for half a century to behave in a manner similar to that of whites. e.g., keep the illegitimacy rates down, stay in school, not commit so much violent crime, start-up their own businesses, etc.

This does not seem to be the case. Granted, there is a sector of blacks who do perform at the same level as whites, and more power to 'em! But we are talking about overall trends here.

Again, explain to me why blacks can not take advantage of all the opportunities which white people have given them.

Anonymous said...

Lonnie is the 'grim sleeper'
he killed 100+? women...

If his neighbors had reported his other crimes maybe his arrest would have happened sooner...
he lived in the hood...dont snitch land

bubo said...

I stopped watching Law and Order after the show would take crimes that were "ripped from the headlines" and completely change them around 180 degrees to fit their "bad white person" agenda. I never saw an episode that didn't feature a rich white person as the villain.

Same goes for Criminal Minds. It's 99 percent "evil white male" but they did have the balls to show a black serial killer once.

The only network show I can think of that was pretty realistic about black crime was Homicide:Life on the streets. That was a damn good show.

I'm not too interested in the Punisher because it will be more of the same. Only good thing is it gives white guys plenty of opportunities to play scumbags on tv.

Gotta love those alarm ads too. White guy in a watch cap breaking into yuppie blacks homes.

HandoStomper said...

The Walking Dead is great. They filmed it in SWAT and there are almost no nig zombies.

Splendid.

Edwood said...

Anonymous, I think we would disagree with you about which group is "down".

What if the roles were reversed? What if white people were disproportionately committing crime and were targeting blacks and hispanics?

Caiden said...

Do you want a cohesive nation or not?

Yes, that's why most of us come here, we see with blacks that's impossible. I'm not sure how others here will want to put it, but where ever they are blacks seem to enjoy making things worse.

Does have a cohesive nation mean we turn our eyes to blacks raping, slaughtering, and stealing from whites, asians, and hispanics? I know that's what liberals do, but whites have empathy. We feel bad for victims of black crime. Blacks feel no empath, for anyone, they even slaughter then own kind.


I don't think any of us WANT a race war, but we think BLACK do. No matter what the situation is, blacks will blame every problem they suffer on someone else, and they turn that anger on their innocent victims.

Father abandoned you, mother a drug addict, grandparents screaming and drunk all the time, blacks shooting each other outside, a 19 year old black girl with no education and 4 kids by 3 different fathers? Hey, blame the white man!!

Considering all the time it took for other races to branch out and discover Asian, Europem and the Americas, plus Australia and dozens of islands, shouldn't Africa be way ahead technologically? The reason Africa is a hellhole is they're not intellectually curious, the people who were left Africa thousands of years ago. The stupid ones stays behind in Africa, hence they never built or discovered anything.

Anonymous said...

Again, why are blacks "down?"

They even have places kept for them at university which they would not get on merit.

Jeff! said...

@ YT-

I own a TV for playing Video Games and watching things online. In other words, choosing my own entertainment rather than being spoon-fed what the media thinks I need to play.

In that vein, I'll admit one of my favorite games is the Saint's Row series. Yes, it depicts that only-in-the-media mixed race gang, but there's something amusing to me about playing a Black Thug in it's natural environment.Sort of like that game that came out a while back where you hunt as a wolf.

It's been said by numerous counter-culture types. Throw away your Television, shoot your television. At the least, like YT said, cancel your cable or satellite, and watch what you want via the internet.

AmericanGoy said...

"Which begs the question: why does ANY self respecting non-protected-hyphenated-american have a TV anymore?"

To watch The Wire.
To watch Rome.
Babylon 5.
The First 48.

Interestingly, and off topic (but oh so topical for this blog), Gridiron football, the famous Monday Night Football, is now on basic cable, and NOT on ABC, NBC or CBS.

Dancing with Morons trumps sport (where low class British losers pretend to be experts on dance and art and give the fat yokels of the land - the feminine half, both women and gays - what they so crave, a gay, gay, gay world.

Take that, football!

Dissident said...

Mainstream society, huh?

The "mainstream" has never had it right, why the Hell would anyone want to be "mainstream". I want to be on the bank, not in the stream. You'll get your ass washed away there. This is not a fringe element, that's only Marxist agit-prop and you're so foolish you actually fall for it hook, line and sinker.

The white man has been marginalized in the very country that he fought and died and labored to build. If it seems that we're a little fed up, then believe it and if you think we're going to go down without a fight then as Judas Priest say's "You Gotta' Another Thing Comin'".

I believe that the person or group with the highest moral imperative will be the one that wins. As a person of conscience and fair play it's my desire to see blacks succeed and prosper, but not at the expense of my race mind you.

We're a lot more "mainstream" than you probably think which reminds me of a quote by Robison Jeffords, " The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack".

So true, so true.

Kylie said...

YT wrote, "why does ANY self respecting non-protected-hyphenated-american have a TV anymore? Especially cable or satellite. You pay money for your own propaganda against you that's already laced with advertisements."

That's exactly why I had my husband cancel our cable last year. He'd kept it mainly for me so I could watch movies on Encore, TCM, etc. But so many of those were recent leftist offerings (or in the case of TCM, Robert Osborn's leftist introductions to old classics), that it just wasn't worth it anymore.

I wish more people would dump cable. I don't miss network or cable TV one bit. In fact, I feel better because I no longer get upset at having that leftist tripe in my living room every time I turn on the TV.

Dissident said...

Kylie. I dumped the filth in 1994 and haven't regretted it at all. You'll feel a liberation with all the free time that you have and you'll have the satisfaction of knowing, that you're not financing filth and degradation and hatred for your culture.

Only wish that everyone else would so the same.

Sheila said...

Zenster, your otherwise excellent comment re "just wait; Obama's moving towards restricting "hate speech" is posited on there being a rule of law in this country which he will violate. Even my not yet 12 year old, when we were reviewing differences between capitalism and communism for a quiz, said "No one pays attention to the Constitution any more; they say it's just a piece of paper." I had been correcting the black and white depiction of such governing systems in his Christian history textbook, which portrayed America as a country with "freedoms" guaranteed by the Constitution. When I prodded him to understand the reality of "free speech" or "free press" in today's America, he responded by essentially noting that the Constitution is dead and the government acts with impunity.

I frequently make public comments deploring multiculturalism and immigration, albeit without the f-bombs of the British tram woman (and with no baby on my lap!). Thus far I get shocked but approving responses from most other Whites, but my husband fears (justly, I'm afraid) I will be arrested for "hate speech" sooner rather than later. Western society and Western values are dead as far as "our leaders" are concerned . . . and after all, who dares to stop them?

Anonymous said...

"Inter-group resentment exists because blacks and Hispanics are murdering, raping, and robbing whites instead of sticking to their own shit-poor race."

That's correct. Once whites were safe in their White-established orderly societies. Those Whites who wanted to entered black, Hispanic, or other countries of colored people like in the Islamic countries or India etc. could do so and take their chances. That was their choice.
Now Whites have no choice. There were just not enough Whites to rape, rob, and murder with those few Whites who traveled to such countries, so the US government decided to import those blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Asians, and every other riff raff of the world into the US so they could have a "better life".

RegulusSeradly said...

I suspect that most of the "white"(non-Hispanic) murderers in NYC are of some Muslim ethnicity, many of the others foreign-born.

make it rain TRUTH said...

"YT said...

Even the history and discover channels show nothing but fake reality shows about bigfoot and dipshits trying to fist catfish. WHAT THE FUCK?! Did the great Oz decide the goyim where learning something from WWII footage that needed to be stomped out?"

I'm gonna second you on the WHAT THE FUCK??

Seriously. WHAT THE FUCK is the problem with the History and Discover family of channels? I remember when I could tune in any time and find "intellectual" programming about sciences, animals, history, culture.

When the fuck are those idiots "hunting ghosts" ever going to actually FIND a ghost?

mr_evergreen said...

Whites used to commit alot more violent crime than they do now(at least as far as blue collar violence is concerned). What happened? If the 95 percent of murder victims are Black statistic is true, then I, a Black man, am the one who should be concerned because I have the highest likelihood of getting killed.

Zenster said...

Anonymous (November 28, 2011 6:39 PM): But pointing a finger at people groups who are already economically disadvantaged and kicking the already down, in the name of "reality" accomplishes what exactly?

So, what you're saying is that we should patiently wait for several decades, at least, in order that "economically disadvantaged" ethnic groups can enjoy elevated living standards before we can begin criticizing them?

Don't you see how ridiculous that is?

Would you wait until your child was a grown adult before critiquing their immature behavior back at age eight?

I know that this is asking a lot, but do you see the similarity here?

More racial ill will in a melting pot?

More? How can there be much more "ill will" than the intense racism constantly displayed by Blacks? Must Whites continually turn the other cheek in the name of "fairness" when all that such "fairness" does is get them raped or KILLED?

More intergroup resentment?

Whites display the least "intergroup resentment" of any race on earth. If they didn't, America and Europe would not be the most racially diverse places in the entire world.

And please don't try and tell me that it's because we have all the advantages. Any benefits that Whites currently enjoy are a direct result of having made the necessary sacrifices ― and consistently doing so over a period of many centuries ― which are essential to creating a stable and productive civilization.

In other words, we have earned them. Usually with our blood, sweat and tears.

Are White responsible for all the instability that almost all other races exhibit? If you answer "yes" to that, you are hopelessly ignorant.

Most other races remain incapable of demonstrating the long term future planning, deferred gratification and technological proficiency necessary for the stability that Whites routinely institute wherever they go.

The almost instant decline of post-White Zimbabwe and South Africa are prime examples of this.

What are your Utopian ends, a whites only world?

No, just a world that embodies those seven simple words from the prologue of our Declaration of Independence.

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Those, like so many Blacks, who willfully interfere with that national charter deserve only the back of our collective hand.

Are you Charles Manson hoping for a helter skelter race war royale scenario?

If anyone is conducting a "race war royale" it is the Blacks.

Do you want a cohesive nation or not?

Here, you are being disingenuous, at best.

Whites built a very cohesive nation which is being dismantled by Cultural Marxists of all colors that are using American Blacks plus Muslim, African and Hispanic immigrants as their shock troops.

Don't really care to be honest, it just makes it intellectually easier if I can dismiss you all as evil anti-black racists who have a hardon for a whites only world.

Dismiss all you want, it is not within your power to alter the rational and wholly justified reasoning that has led many Whites to decide that Multiculturalism is one of the greatest farces since Communism itself.

The only problem is that Multiculturalism promises to visit Western civilization with the slaughter of millions just like Communism has done around the world.

That is an unacceptable outcome and if it requires racial segregation, then so be it.

The onus is upon other races to prove that they are worthy of, and even capable of, coexistence in Western civilization.

Zenster said...

Ben N Indiana: 1 - They are made to look like dark white people

Knowingly or not, and I'd guess the former, you have nailed a significant issue in all of this racial garbage.

What does "dark white people" actually signify?

Does it mean a Black person that speaks articulately, as in not saying "liberry" or "axt"?

Does it mean a Black person that studies hard and excels in school?

Does it mean a Black person who conducts their self in a courteous and polite manner?

Does it mean a Black person who does not maintain an attitude of automatic entitlement.

Does it mean a Black person who does not perpetually blame any and all personal shortcomings upon another race?

Does it mean a Black person who behaves like a responsible adult and parent?

Does it mean a Black person that displays an industrious and reliable work ethic?

The point in all of this being is that, if you remove the words "Black person", the above character traits are those of any civilized person.

In fact, it might just be a form of bizarre racism to insist that only Whites must behave in a civilized manner while other races need not meet that standard. Again, this is the vicious but "soft racism" of lowered expectations that so many DWLs demonstrate.

So, is it that a "dark white person" is civilized when an ordinary "dark person" does not have to be?

I realize that this is beggaring the question but it's long past tea to begin parsing out all of these previously well-accepted and shop-worn catch phrases.

The entire rubbish of Blacks accusing other Blacks of being an "Uncle Tom" or behaving White needs to be exposed as the suicidal and intentionally underachieving crap that it is.

Blacks that trot out the Uncle Tom smear need to, themselves, be ridiculed mercilessly by people of all races, including fellow Blacks. It is, to these chronic slackers, as if being civilized is, somehow, not "Black enough".

Any Blacks who are willing to perpetuate such nonsense deserve nothing but a lifelong smackdown, which appears to be exactly what is happening to the majority of these gangsta and thug culcha inner city Blacks.

Coincidence? I don't think so!

Zenster said...

Baldowl: I'm really enjoying how the New Black Anonymous omits some of his verbs. It's just like the real thing!

Now, that's just plain mean!

Funny as hell though.

Zenster said...

YT: D) See A.

Aw, come on now. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel!

Anonymous said...

So let's put this all together then, the media establishment should be 100% focused(just like the daily news cycle) on black and brown criminal behavior(to hell with social context, since blacks are animals anyway), deport all blacks and browns except maybe the most talented tenth of each group, ignore any role whites may have in the current state of blacks and browns( ie particularly lopsided trade agreements, media scapegoating in spite of drastic decline in crime among all races over the past 20 years, colonialism in which many nations have only been able to start from scratch for about 50 years or so), ignore, and or dismiss any and all social and economic gains by blacks and browns in a measley 46 years of legally acknowleged civil rights(Civil rights act of 1965, again starting from practically nothing, but now boasting a 20% Baccalaureate level educational attainment among adults, and 40+% Associate level educational attainment, Fortune 500 CEOs, a handful of billionaires, successful maintenance of US News and world report top 100 level schools, a pretty extensive catalogue of process/product improvements, and a handful of original inventions) , and we'll have a perfect world predicated on a flawless world view. Certainly you can see this is not some mindless play of the Nazi card, but a recognition of the typical philosophical steps toward a "final solution to the black and brown problem"

Zenster said...

AmericanGoy: Interestingly, and off topic (but oh so topical for this blog), Gridiron football, the famous Monday Night Football, is now on basic cable, and NOT on ABC, NBC or CBS.

Not at all "off topic", as you well know. I think that this single fact deserves an entire SBPDL article and would write it myself save that I am not as conversant about football as Paul Kersey is.

To me, this is HUGE. It demonstrates a number of things:

1.) Quite clearly, America is so addicted to their "opiate" that the NFL does not feel it would pose any problem to move an immensely popular broadcasting slot to a lesser equivalent of "pay per view".

2.) Cable also is evidently breathing enough of its own exhaust to where it thinks that football fans will voluntarily endure the coercion of paying for something they have been getting without charge over the last FOUR DECADES. This is no small matter.

3.) All of this may well be an indicator of just how desperate cable companies are due to the economic recession that is obliging many viewers to shut off their service. Again, this harkens back to both cable and the NFL truly believing that their audience is totally hooked; which isn't a very complimentary appraisal of their fans and customers.

4.) I would also suggest how this represents a quantum leap regarding how the MSM (MainStream Media), feels that an even wealthier segment of American viewers are prepared for indoctrination with respect to the normalization of Black thugs as productive scholars and citizens. This is very much an SBPDL topic and deserves a lot of scrutiny.

5.) Finally, there is a reciprocal effect. Namely, that Americans have so thoroughly bought into BRA that paying hard earned cash to watch semiliterate moneyball Black thugs cavort on-screen no longer spurs any feelings of revulsion like it most probably would have some forty years ago when Monday Night Football first started.

For some odd reason, all of this reminds me very little of the Simpson's episode where Homer is admonishing Marge for her criticism of his football addiction by telling her (paraphrased):

"Marge, us football fans have to show some serious dedication to this new idea of the Super Bowl or else it might not catch on!"

As if.

Anonymous said...

"Whites used to commit alot more violent crime than they do now"

Evergreen, you believe in more fairy-tales than my 3-year-old nephew. Either provide a legitimate source, or shut the fuck up, you clueless dipshit.

Anonymous said...

"the media establishment should be 100% focused(just like the daily news cycle) on black and brown criminal behavior(to hell with social context, since blacks are animals anyway)"

The media should be 100% focused on telling the fucking truth, which necessarily includes portraying blacks accurately as violence-prone sub-humans.

Anonymous said...

colonialism in which many nations have only been able to start from scratch for about 50 years or so

Well,I suppose you could call it starting from scratch. Having the white devils build things like roads,dams,bridges,generating stations, clinics,and the like was certainly mean of us. Not to mention introducing innovations like ....ohhhh....soap and water.

And we couldn't stop being our mean old selves,either. We had to go and introduce things like schools,pencils and paper,even the odd radio station.

And then,when the white devils left Africa and the other nether lands,what did we do? With a few exceptions,we left all that stuff right where it was.How utterly horrid of us to leave all of those wells,all of those irrigation canals,and all the rest.

Let's use everyone's favorite example:Zimbabwe.

When it was still Rhodesia,the place could,and did produce enough food to keep a third of the population of Africa in beans. And now? As near as I can tell,the only business remaining there is taking pictures of starving Africans with the one camera that still works,and using those pictures as props to beg for money and..oh...yeah,food.

And the real head scratcher here is that a whole bunch of white devils stayed put when the place changed names. The expertise was still there,the international sanctions were lifted,and-really-there wasn't any excuse for what happened. All that had to happen was for the blacks to watch,listen,and learn how to run a western-based society,or at least the part of a western based society that keeps everyone from starving to death in the dark 'cause the 'lectricity went out.

But for some reason,it didn't work out that way. Care to enlighten us as to why?

Anonymous said...

"ignore any role whites may have in the current state of blacks and brown"

American blacks have the highest standard of living of any blacks in the world, for which they should be eternally grateful to whites.

As far as atrocious behavioral patterns largely embraced and even celebrated by blacks...out-of-wedlock birth, crime, welfare dependency...these are chosen behaviors. It is difficult to sympathize with people who blame others for their own abhorrent choices.

Svigor said...

It's kind of cute, watching all your readers learn Whiteness 101, Paul.

I mean, don't know the stuff about serial killers? Total innumeracy? Awwww...

Guys, it's really easy to answer "why you be talkin' bad about us?"

The quickest answer, of course, is "to correct media lies."

But the better answer is, "because we're being blamed for your failures. If you wanted to let sleeping dogs lie, you can't blame us for waking him up; the people who blame all your faults on us did that; blame liberals."

It's better because it creates a stronger moral imperative: pointing out black failures are their own is a moral duty, because as it stands now, White children are inheriting the blame for those failures.

Anonymous said...

"Certainly you can see this is not some mindless play of the Nazi card"

Sorry, but when you've heard the exact same derivative, boring refrain repeated thousands of times, that's all it is, and it's not impressive.

"but a recognition of the typical philosophical steps toward a "final solution to the black and brown problem""

Why does it bother you that basic human survival instinct dictates the need to stay away from things that endanger our lives, including black people??

If it is your belief that black people are not violent or dangerous, then I encourage you to continue believing that, you are most certainly entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else.

Anonymous said...

"Whites used to commit alot more violent crime than they do now(at least as far as blue collar violence is concerned). What happened? If the 95 percent of murder victims are Black statistic is true, then I, a Black man, am the one who should be concerned because I have the highest likelihood of getting killed."

Yes your right. But in reality, you are more likely to be murdered by a black male.
Your propoganda does not work with the people here sir.

Anonymous said...

black serial killers.

grim sleeper is worst I know of

Anonymous said...

Someone wrote that if blacks are arrested before they can commit more murfers they do not have the chance to become serial killers. And therefore it is whiteys fault!

mr_evergreen said...

"Yes your right. But in reality, you are more likely to be murdered by a black male.
Your propoganda does not work with the people here sir."

Yes, I know I am more likely to be murdered by a Black man than by anyone else. In fact, if you look at the homicide victimization, Blacks have the highest rate of homicide victimization. Based on that statistic, it is Black people who should be the most concerned about their safety. I know I am. I've been a crime victim many times. I got jumped and robbed by 3 African-American males in the middle of the night while walking home. I've been a victim of Black on Black crime. I've also been a victim of White on Black crime. I got assaulted a few times when I was living in a very rural part of Georgia. As of now, I don't live there anymore. I live in a more suburban area where I don't have to worry about anyone hurting me.

That said, I was talking about what has HISTORICALLY taken places. What about all of the riots in the USA where Black people were the victims of White violence? That has happened alot in this nation. It isn't happening much today, but HISTORICALLY, it's happened alot.

Zenster said...

mr_evergreen: Yes, I know I am more likely to be murdered by a Black man than by anyone else. In fact, if you look at the homicide victimization, Blacks have the highest rate of homicide victimization. Based on that statistic, it is Black people who should be the most concerned about their safety.

Then, based upon that frank admission, are you willing to recognize how the traditional "no snitch" policy amongst urban Blacks is a prime driver of their own high intramural murder rates?

That said, I was talking about what has HISTORICALLY taken places[sic].

Earth to mr_evergreen, you can get over that historical shite yesterday, if not even sooner. Every time you attempt to bring up White Man's Burden or anything remotely resembling the usual racial backpack minorities love to strap on to Whites, you can count on being dismissed out of hand, at best, and being heaped with vitriolic abuse at worst.

Capiche?

That historical rubbish just doesn't fly with the people you need most to convince that there is anything of worth about Black people.

Finally, I along with many others here at SBPDL, invite you to sprout a set and finally provide an honest reply to Van's perennially unanswered question: (paraphrased)

What skill, intellectual property, goods or service can be gotten only from Blacks that cannot be obtained elsewhere with less chance of encountering a disrespectful attitude, lax work ethic, incompetence, outright theft or risk of physical assault and injury?

I have yet to see you provide any sort of remotely adequate response to this reasonable and wholly justified query, mr_evergreen.

mr_evergreen said...

"What skill, intellectual property, goods or service can be gotten only from Blacks that cannot be obtained elsewhere with less chance of encountering a disrespectful attitude, lax work ethic, incompetence, outright theft or risk of physical assault and injury?"

So what you're saying and what Van is saying is that the individual does not count in this case, that everything is about the group?

Zenster said...

mr_evergreen: So what you're saying and what Van is saying is that the individual does not count in this case, that everything is about the group?

Ah, answering a question with a question. How puerile.

In case you haven't noticed, it's about the individual and the group.

Dismayed as you might be by it, the "rattlesnake" analogy presented to you in past discussions still applies. Far too many Blacks exhibit predatory and criminal behavior to the point where many Whites simply want nothing to do with them.

Here's a question for you, and it does not relieve you of the obligation to answer my paraphrase of Van's longstanding query, no matter how well you think you'd dodged it:

Having been the victim of Black criminals several times in the past; when entering a subway car with lots of Black youth at one end and lots of White youth at the other end, which end would you sit in?

Please do not equivocate by telling us about how you've been assaulted by Whites, too. Just answer each of the questions.

Zenster said...

mr_evergreen, you have also failed to answer my original question, a pattern of behavior that does not count in your favor. To wit:

Are you willing to recognize how the traditional "no snitch" policy amongst urban Blacks is a prime driver of their own high intramural murder rates?

mr_evergreen said...

"Having been the victim of Black criminals several times in the past; when entering a subway car with lots of Black youth at one end and lots of White youth at the other end, which end would you sit in?

Please do not equivocate by telling us about how you've been assaulted by Whites, too. Just answer each of the questions"

I don't care about race. I just want to live my life as a human being and an individual. I've been on subways full of Blacks as well as Whites. This is how I think: When I get on a train, I watch everyone. I don't care what race you are, but only that you don't look like a criminal. I've sat next to alot of Black people on the train and never had problems. Same goes with Whites. I just mind my business and no one messes with me. Where I got assaulted by Blacks, it was in the suburbs far away from Atlanta. These were youths who were using someone's car to commit a crime and picked me as a victim. In fact, the majority of crime I've been a victim of has been in the suburbs.

I do equate your getting assaulted by Blacks to my getting assaulted(and even shot by one kid)by Whites. There is a reason. I don't see much difference in either. How is my being victimized by Whites meaningless? It's not meaningless to me because it happened to ME. I had to suffer.

mr_evergreen said...

"Are you willing to recognize how the traditional "no snitch" policy amongst urban Blacks is a prime driver of their own high intramural murder rates?"

I never denied that the "no snitch" policy was contributing to a high Black on Black murder rate. I mentioned why alot of Blacks are afraid to "snitch". Go read my blog. I have a blog entry about Blacks being afraid to snitch.

mr_evergreen said...

"In case you haven't noticed, it's about the individual and the group.

Dismayed as you might be by it, the "rattlesnake" analogy presented to you in past discussions still applies. Far too many Blacks exhibit predatory and criminal behavior to the point where many Whites simply want nothing to do with them."

But comparing a human being to a rattlesnake is not right. You say it's about the group and the individual. I see more emphasis on the group than the individual. If this nation is to be about individualism, then one should take me as a person, not as just a Black person. My individual merit alone, not my race, should be the focal point. Unfortunately, the group gets more emphasis than the individual. That is of no help to me.

Zenster said...

mr_evergreen: I never denied that the "no snitch" policy was contributing to a high Black on Black murder rate.

Please pay attention, I did not type "contributing", but "prime driver". There is a world of difference between the two terms, in case you are unaware of it.

Unless you are willing to admit that the "no snitch" policy enables Black crime more than any other factor, then you obviously fail to comprehend the situation.

By looking askance at crime, Blacks invite it, enable it and perpetuate it. An almost congenital refusal to cooperate with law enforcement unilaterally cripples the Black community's ability to obtain a similar level of crime prevention that prevails in almost all majority White neighborhoods.

The way you continue to prink about and marginally address these core issues is not just offensive but exceedingly tiresome as well.

To date, you have best served, not as a contributor, but as an object lesson for others.

Zenster said...

mr_evergreen: But comparing a human being to a rattlesnake is not right.

So long as a huge number of Blacks act exactly like rattlesnakes, the comparison will be both apt and right. You fail to even outline what is so "not right" about the analogy.

Blacks frequently pose a great danger to human life.

Blacks give only marginal warning before they strike, if any at all.

Blacks display predatory behavior.

Blacks capitalize upon their protective coloration to avoid detection or apprehension.

On an individual basis, Blacks will just as often flee a confrontation than engage in a one-on-one dispute.

Males of both species just as often do not participate in child rearing.

Blacks are toxic to other warm blooded creatures.

Finally, Blacks must shed their skin (color), in order to grow.

Back to my reply:

Just like a rattlesnake, you, too, constantly slither away from actually confronting in a substantive manner so many of the questions put to you here at SBPDL.

Anonymous said...

"What about all of the riots in the USA where Black people were the victims of White violence? That has happened alot in this nation."

No, historically it has NOT happened a lot. White-on-black violence has always been rare.

Evergreen, you believe in more fairy-tales than my 3-year-old nephew. Either provide a legitimate source, or shut the fuck up, you clueless dipshit.

Anonymous said...

"I don't care about race."

Which part of PLEASE DO NOT EQUIVOCATE do you not understand, you fucking numbskull???

Would you sit at the near the whites or near the blacks?

ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION.

Anonymous said...

"But comparing a human being to a rattlesnake is not right."

It's an ANALOGY you fucking nitwit.

It's NOT A COMPARISON.

DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE???

Anonymous said...

"Just like a rattlesnake, you, too, constantly slither away from actually confronting in a substantive manner so many of the questions put to you here at SBPDL."

This is true Evergreen, you simply avoid questions to which you don't have a pre-fab bullshit answer.

You are a coward.

Anonymous said...

"What about all of the riots in the USA where Black people were the victims of White violence? That has happened alot in this nation."

No, historically it has NOT happened a lot. White-on-black violence has always been rare.

Evergreen, you believe in more fairy-tales than my 3-year-old nephew. Either provide a legitimate source, or shut the fuck up, you clueless dipshit.


No no no you are wrong. It is not recorded becaus eit is non-violent violence which never gets reported.

Zenster said...

Sheila: Thus far I get shocked but approving responses from most other Whites…

As do I when I explain how Islam ― by way of its Qu'ran mandated global jihad ― is willfully advancing and heading straight towards the Muslim holocaust.

Only a small number of people I encounter ever manage to understand how killing even just one hundred highly placed Islamic politicians, scholars, financiers and academics could stall jihad long enough for the West to change the entire course of this conflict.

Anonymous said...

There's more intelligent black folk on this planet than your slow, bigoted mind could ever fathom...By your statement, it would appear that you yourself are the"uneducated" one. Do your research, try reading a book sometime instead of going by what the media shows about "Black People"